Reject of the race leaderboard

[tc3j3r]

Here's an idea: how about a leaderboard of Rejects of the race to see who has been awarded the most RotRs? (Although his identity probably won't come as much of a surprise to anyone ). I know this doesn't have much to do with podcasts, but nor does it have much to do with current goings on or reject drivers and teams. If you're wondering where all the decimals come from, when there was a RotR shared between more than one person/team/thing I count it as decimal points for each recipient. For example, at the 2008 Bahrain GP each member of the 'Fools Britannia Sextet' scored 0.17 points. So, without further delay...

1) Michael Schumacher ................... 10.00
2) Giancarlo Fisichella .................... 7.06
3) Kimi Raikkonen ......................... 6.31
4) Jenson Button ........................... 6.22
5) Lewis Hamilton ......................... 5.92
6) Ferrari ................................... 5.25
7) Williams ................................. 5.11
8) Takuma Sato ............................ 5.06
8) Felipe Massa ............................ 5.06
8) Mark Webber ............................ 5.06
11) FIA stewards ........................... 5.00
12) Rubens Barrichello ..................... 4.56
13) Juan Pablo Montoya ................... 4.50
13) Pastor Maldonado ...................... 4.50
15) Vitantonio Liuzzi ....................... 4.06
15) Nico Rosberg ........................... 4.06
17) Jacques Villeneuve .................... 4.00
18) Sebastian Vettel ....................... 3.83
19) Fernando Alonso ....................... 3.56
20) David Coulthard ....................... 3.22
21) Ralf Schumacher ...................... 3.06
21) Adrian Sutil ........................... 3.06
23) Heinz- Harald Frentzen .............. 3.00
23) Michelin ............................... 3.00
25) Jarno Trulli ........................... 2.56
26) Romain Grosjean .................... 2.50
27) Red Bull ............................... 2.25
28) Renault ................................ 2.11
29) Alex Wurz ............................. 2.00
29) Ferrari pit crew ...................... 2.00
29) Toyota engines ...................... 2.00
29) Honda engines ....................... 2.00
29) Mercedes engines ................... 2.00
29) Christian Klien ...................... 2.00
29) Honda Racing F1 Team ............ 2.00
29) Kamui Kobayashi ................... 2.00
29) Bruno Senna ........................ 2.00
38) Heikki Kovalainen .................. 1.56
39) Paul Stoddart ....................... 1.50
40) ITV ................................... 1.17
41) BAR .................................. 1.11
41) Jordan ............................... 1.11
41) Toyota ............................... 1.11
41) Sauber ............................... 1.11
45) Scott Speed ......................... 1.06
45) Christian Albers .................... 1.06
47) Pedro Diniz ......................... 1.00
47) Crazy ex-Mercedes employee ..... 1.00
47) Marc Gene .......................... 1.00
47) Jos Verstappen ..................... 1.00
47) Benetton ............................ 1.00
47) Mika Hakkinen ..................... 1.00
47) Enrique Bernoldi ................... 1.00
47) Arrows .............................. 1.00
47) Pele ................................. 1.00
47) Hungaroring ....................... 1.00
47) Curva do Sol ....................... 1.00
47) Cristiano da Matta ................ 1.00
47) Toyota's launch control ........... 1.00
47) Neil Horan ......................... 1.00
47) Bridgestone ........................ 1.00
47) Cosworth ........................... 1.00
47) 2004 rule changes ................. 1.00
47) Ted Kravitz ......................... 1.00
47) French TV director ................. 1.00
47) Olivier Panis ........................ 1.00
47) Italian GP trophies ................. 1.00
47) Typhoon Ma-on ..................... 1.00
47) Shanghai's drain covers ........... 1.00
47) Yuji Ide .............................. 1.00
47) Nick Heidfeld ....................... 1.00
47) Ferrari engines ..................... 1.00
47) BMW pit crew ....................... 1.00
47) Lewisteria ........................... 1.00
47) Mike Gascoyne ...................... 1.00
47) Fuel rigs .............................. 1.00
47) Valencia street circuit .............. 1.00
47) Japan ................................. 1.00
47) Sebastien Bourdais ................. 1.00
47) Felipe Massa's entourage .......... 1.00
47) Honda fatcat executives ........... 1.00
47) Bernie Ecclestone ................... 1.00
47) Nelson Piquet Junior ................ 1.00
47) BMW Sauber ......................... 1.00
47) Formula Elaborate Bluff ............ 1.00
47) Bits falling off cars ................. 1.00
47) Luca Badoer ......................... 1.00
47) Kimi Raikkonen's KERS ............. 1.00
47) 2010 season over-hyping .......... 1.00
47) Article 40.13 ........................ 1.00
47) Race control ......................... 1.00
47) Sauber pit crew ..................... 1.00
47) Force India .......................... 1.00
47) Nico Hulkenberg ................... 1.00
47) Lucas di Grassi .................... 1.00
47) Abu Dhabi podium rosewater ..... 1.00
47) Bits flying off Toro Rossos ....... 1.00
47) Mark Webber's strategy .......... 1.00
47) Stumbling Canadian GP Marshall 1.00
47) Hermann Tilke ..................... 1.00
47) Team Lotus ........................ 1.00
47) Jerome d'Ambrosio ................ 1.00
47) Vitaly Petrov ........................ 1.00
47) Virgin Racing ....................... 1.00
47) Mercedes doomsday prophets .... 1.00
47) Daniel Ricciardo .................... 1.00
47) Podium interviews ................. 1.00
47) Narain Karthikeyan ................ 1.00
47) Sergio Perez ........................ 1.00
47) The New Delhi haze ................ 1.00
47) Mercedes GP ........................ 1.00
47) Paul di Resta ........................ 1.00
47) Estaban Gutierrez .................. 1.00
47) Giedo van der Garde ............... 1.00
114) Jamie McGregor ................... 0.50
114) Enoch Yan-Tak Law ................ 0.50
114) Ron Dennis .......................... 0.50
114) Flavio Briatore _.................... 0.50
114) Sebastien Buemi ................... 0.50
114) Jaime Alguesuari ................... 0.50
120) Christian Horner ................... 0.33
120) Helmut Marko ...................... 0.33
122) Korean GP marshalls .............. 0.20
122) Astroturf ........................... 0.20
122) Psy .................................. 0.20
122) Adrian Newey's goggles ........... 0.20
122) Badgering Korean GP podium girl 0.20
127) Max Mosley ......................... 0.17
127) News of the World ................. 0.17
129) McLaren ............................ 0.11
129) Jaguar .............................. 0.11
129) Minardi ............................. 0.11
132) Anthony Davidson ................. 0.06

A list of the RotR for each race can be found here.

[CarlosFerreira]

Come on, Williams! Just two more places!
It still is my very favourite team. Thoroughly good people!

[eytl]

Now that IS impressive. Even we haven't been keeping such a thorough list all these years!

[Debaser]

Finally we know why the FIA stewards judgement has been so bad over the last few years-They're trying to top this leaderboard. On another note, can you imagine Murray Walker commentating on this ("And there's Fisichella taking Nakajima out-another ROTR award! Oh, amazing, McLaren have lied to the stewards to give themselves an ROTR! Great stuff!")

[RejectSteve]

76) Jamie McGregor __________ 0.50
76) Enoch Yan-Tak Law _______ 0.50
76) Ron Dennis ______________ 0.50
76) Flavio Briatore ___________ 0.50
80) Max Mosley ______________ 0.17

Tied with the team principles Ronzo and Flav? Now if only F1 Rejects had a team, no doubt including our Hungarian legend who was never a ROTR!

And look who they're on top of (no offense, given Max's preference)...

[Fitch]

When were Jamie and Enoch ROTR's?? and when was Curva do Sol a ROTR and Why?

[eytl]

When were Jamie and Enoch ROTR's?? and when was Curva do Sol a ROTR and Why?

We proudly gave ourselves ROTR for the 2001 Belgian GP when - ironically given who's leading this illustrious leaderboard - Fisichella came 3rd in the awful Benetton B201 despite us having written him and Benetton off all season.

The Curva do Sol was ROTR in the 2003 Brazilian GP for the terrible drainage, the river running across the track, and the mayhem it caused!

[StoneColdSpider]

that is totally awesome
will u keep updating the leaderboard??

[tc3j3r]

that is totally awesome
will u keep updating the leaderboard??

Yes, I'll update it after every race.

[Bleu]

I think it's quite interesting that of the 18 drivers who recieved RoTR in Canada, Anthony Davidson is only one who hasn't got award for other races.

[Yannick]

Even at the risk of the numbers getting incredibly small (and the decimals getting long), I think the calculation should be weighted by the number of seasons in which the person or inanimate object participated. That might boost the campaign of the FIA stewards, because they participated in every season since the arrival of the ROTR award, but it won't help them against Fisi. But it would be somewhat problematic with people like Pele, because we don't know in how many seasons he was around, and Honda even got an award recently BECAUSE they weren't around anymore.
Well, maybe it's best that we forget about this idea ...

[StoneColdSpider]

im surprised Ralf didnt win more

[ImissJORDAN]

Even at the risk of the numbers getting incredibly small (and the decimals getting long), I think the calculation should be weighted by the number of seasons in which the person or inanimate object participated. That might boost the campaign of the FIA stewards, because they participated in every season since the arrival of the ROTR award, but it won't help them against Fisi. But it would be somewhat problematic with people like Pele, because we don't know in how many seasons he was around, and Honda even got an award recently BECAUSE they weren't around anymore.
Well, maybe it's best that we forget about this idea ...

Ha, I like it when people talk themselves down.

This list is funny. Isn't Lewis doing well for his meagre amount of seasons?

[Bleu]

Speaking about drivers, Yuji Ide seems to have highest RotR rate with 25%. Of those who have received one, Nick Heidfeld has smallest I think (1 in about 140 races, taking account the races where RotR was not chosen which means mostly races of early 2000) Meanwhile, Liuzzi has the record of getting RotR at his second race.


These four races seemed to be without RotR after it was introduced in French GP 2000 thanks to Alexander Wurz.
Japan 2000
Malaysia 2000
Australia 2001
Australia 2003

By the way, here's a list of drivers with most races and no award. * denotes active
de la Rosa 46
Kubica 42*
Irvine 39
Monteiro 37
Salo 24
Glock 24*
Alesi 23
Nakajima 21*
Piquet 20*
HWNSNBM 20
Pizzonia 19

I would consider those two Brazilians quite surprising on that list

[eytl]

By the way, here's a list of drivers with most races and no award. * denotes active
de la Rosa 46
Kubica 42*
Irvine 39
Monteiro 37
Salo 24
Glock 24*
Alesi 23
Nakajima 21*
Piquet 20*
HWNSNBM 20
Pizzonia 19

I would consider those two Brazilians quite surprising on that list

Thanks for pointing out these glaring omissions. We'll need to do something about that, and fast! I think we held off from giving Nelsinho any ROTRs last year in the thought that he was a shoe-in for ROTY until his late-season burst.

At least Pizzonia has won ROTY, in 2003.

[Yannick]

Bleu, that's a fascinating list.

If Nelsinho is lucky and improving, he can still get away without an award. Still, I'm pretty sure that causing the multi-car pile up in Brazil in the early 90s would also have handed Eddie Irvine this prestigious award. It wasn't around then, but instead, the FIA banned him for 2 races, if I recall correctly.
The fact that Monteiro and Baumgartner haven't gotten one is probably just down to their individual success in 2 different US GPs and the low expectations, which might also be true for Salo.

[Bleu]

I was sometimes thinking old races and who would got RotR. I may post a list in a few days. Myself, I have followed all races since 1993 (or late 1992).

Salo would take easily at least one: Hungarian GP 1999.

[thehemogoblin]

I was sometimes thinking old races and who would got RotR. I may post a list in a few days. Myself, I have followed all races since 1993 (or late 1992).

Salo would take easily at least one: Hungarian GP 1999.

I'm pretty sure that Salo should have gotten ROTR for every race he replaced Schumacher over Badoer.

Which reminds me... 1999 European Grand Prix- ROTR is Badoer's gearbox

[tristan1117]

What about the 1998 Belgian GP? Who would get that ROTR? Everyone in the field except the 2 Jordans? Everyone in the first pileup? M. Schumacher and David Coulthard's infamous crash? The list could go on and on and on...

[thehemogoblin]

What about the 1998 Belgian GP? Who would get that ROTR? Everyone in the field except the 2 Jordans? Everyone in the first pileup? M. Schumacher and David Coulthard's infamous crash? The list could go on and on and on...

I seem to recall one announcer calling Ricardo Rosset an idiot because he just piledrove his car right into the middle of the maelstrom, well behind everyone else. Can't find the audio though, probably on the American broadcast.

[RejectSteve]

I seem to recall one announcer calling Ricardo Rosset an idiot because he just piledrove his car right into the middle of the maelstrom, well behind everyone else. Can't find the audio though, probably on the American broadcast.

I think Tony Jardine said it on the ITV coverage. http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/thom ... belg98.htm

[tristan1117]

I find it strange that that Michael Schumacher, 7 time World Champion is 2nd place on this leaderboard. I think it would it be hilarious if Schumi himself had another record: Most ROTR awards! I'm guessing that Fisi would pass him soon enough it that had happened.

[thehemogoblin]

I find it strange that that Michael Schumacher, 7 time World Champion is 2nd place on this leaderboard. I think it would it be hilarious if Schumi himself had another record: Most ROTR awards! I'm guessing that Fisi would pass him soon enough it that had happened.

Fisi is in a reject-free situation... if he does bad, it's "Ooh, it's just the equipment"... if he does well, it's "Wow, he's outdriven his equipment".

[Captain Hammer]

How does Reject of the Year factor into this, 'cause Button's won it twice ...

[Bleu]

Fisico got two last year even he had worst car on the grid (Sutil had one too), so it's not doen to machinery every time. But in all those cases they made errors.

If top driver has bad race then he's quite often given RotR. Without checking I think Michael got ones:
Malaysia 2003
Monaco 2004
China 2004
Monaco 2006
Hungary 2006
USA 2002 (half)

In top 10 there are two other world champions (Alonso is not too far behind) while Massa and Montoya have been in the championship fight once (JPM lost the chances in 2003 penultimate round)

[tc3j3r]

How does Reject of the Year factor into this, 'cause Button's won it twice ...

RotYs aren't counted. If they were, the leaderboard would look like this:

1) Williams __________________ 6.11 (1 RotY)
2) Giancarlo Fisichella _________ 6.06
2) Takuma Sato ______________ 6.06 (1RotY)
4) Honda ____________________ 6.00 (1 RotY)
5) Michael Schumacher ________ 5.50
6) Jenson Button _____________ 5.22 (2 RotYs)
7) Kimi Raikkonen ____________ 5.06
8) FIA stewards ______________ 5.00
9) Juan Pablo Montoya ________ 4.50
10) Felipe Massa _____________ 4.06
11) Jacques Villeneuve ________ 4.00
11) Ferrari __________________ 4.00
13) Fernando Alonso __________ 3.56
14) David Coulthard __________ 3.22
15) Ralf Schumacher __________ 3.06
15) Mark Webber _____________ 3.06
15) Nico Rosberg _____________ 3.06
18) Heinz- Harald Frentzen ____ 3.00
18) Michelin _________________ 3.00
18) Alex Wurz ________________3.00 (1 RotY)
21) Lewis Hamilton ___________ 2.67
22) Rubens Barrichello _________ 2.56
23) Ferrari pit crew ___________ 2.00
23) Toyota engines ___________ 2.00
23) Mercedes ________________ 2.00
23) Christian Klien ____________ 2.00
27) Jarno Trulli ______________ 1.56
28) Paul Stoddart ____________ 1.50
29) ITV _____________________ 1.17
30) BAR ____________________ 1.11
30) Jordan __________________ 1.11
30) Renault _________________ 1.11
30) Toyota __________________ 1.11
34) Vitantonio Liuzzi __________ 1.06
34) Scott Speed ______________ 1.06
34) Christian Albers __________ 1.06
34) Adrian Sutil ______________ 1.06
38) Pedro Diniz ______________ 1.00
38) Crazy ex-Mercedes employee 1.00
38) Marc Gene _______________ 1.00
38) Jos Verstappen ___________ 1.00
38) Benetton ________________ 1.00
38) Mika Hakkinen ___________ 1.00
38) Enrique Bernoldi __________ 1.00
38) Arrows __________________ 1.00
38) Pele ____________________ 1.00
38) Hungaroring _____________ 1.00
38) Curva do Sol _____________ 1.00
38) Cristiano da Matta ________ 1.00
38) Toyota's launch control _____ 1.00
38) Neil Horan _______________ 1.00
38) Bridgestone ______________ 1.00
38) Cosworth ________________ 1.00
38) 2004 rule changes _________ 1.00
38) Ted Kravitz ______________ 1.00
38) French TV director ________ 1.00
38) Olivier Panis ______________ 1.00
38) Italian GP trophies _________ 1.00
38) Typhoon Ma-on ____________ 1.00
38) Red Bull __________________ 1.00
38) Shanghai's drain covers _____ 1.00
38) Yuji Ide __________________ 1.00
38) Nick Heidfeld _____________ 1.00
38) Ferrari engines ____________1.00
38) BMW pit crew _____________ 1.00
38) Lewisteria ________________ 1.00
38) Mike Gascoyne ____________ 1.00
38) Sebaastian Vettel __________ 1.00
38) Fuel rigs _________________ 1.00
38) Valencia street circuit ______ 1.00
38) Japan ___________________ 1.00
38) Sebastien Bourdais ________ 1.00
38) Felipe Massa's entourage ___ 1.00
38) Bernie Ecclestone _________ 1.00
38) Alex Yoong ______________ 1.00 (1 RotY)
38) Antonio Pizzonia _________ 1.00 (1 RotY)
38) Giorgio Pantano __________ 1.00 (1 RotY)
78) Heikki Kovalainen _________0.56
79) Jamie McGregor __________ 0.50
79) Enoch Yan-Tak Law _______ 0.50
79) Ron Dennis ______________ 0.50
79) Flavio Briatore ___________ 0.50
83) Max Mosley ______________ 0.17
83) News of the World ________ 0.17
85) McLaren _________________ 0.11
85) Sauber __________________ 0.11
85) Jaguar __________________ 0.11
85) Minardi _________________ 0.11
89) Anthony Davidson _________0.06

[LionZoo]

I would like to see the score for if each ROTR was counted as one point, even if it's shared honors. After all, just because others screwed it up shouldn't be an excuse for your own failure!

[tc3j3r]

Main leaderboard now updated as of Chinese GP. Nelson Piquet makes his debut in joint 38th place, meaning that there are now 39 people/things tied for 38th place.

I would like to see the score for if each ROTR was counted as one point, even if it's shared honors. After all, just because others screwed it up shouldn't be an excuse for your own failure!

IMO it doesn't work very well as it dramatically increases the number of ties, but here goes...

1) Giancarlo Fisichella _________ 7
2) Michael Schumacher ________ 6
2) Williams __________________ 6
2) Kimi Raikkonen ____________ 6
2) Takuma Sato ______________ 6
2) FIA stewards ______________ 6
2) Honda ___________________ 6
8) Juan Pablo Montoya ________ 5
8) Felipe Massa ______________ 5
8) Fernando Alonso __________ 5
8) Jenson Button ____________ 5
8) David Coulthard __________ 5
13) Jacques Villeneuve ________ 4
13) Ferrari __________________ 4
13) Ralf Schumacher __________ 4
13) Mark Webber _____________ 4
13) Nico Rosberg _____________ 4
13) Lewis Hamilton ___________ 4
13) Rubens Barrichello _________ 4
20) Heinz- Harald Frentzen ____ 3
20) Michelin _________________ 3
20) Jarno Trulli ______________ 3
23) Alex Wurz ________________2
23) Ferrari pit crew ___________ 2
23) Toyota engines ___________ 2
23) Mercedes ________________ 2
23) Christian Klien ____________ 2
23) Paul Stoddart ____________ 2
23) ITV _____________________ 2
23) BAR ____________________ 2
23) Jordan __________________ 2
23) Renault _________________ 2
23) Toyota __________________ 2
23) Vitantonio Liuzzi __________ 2
23) Scott Speed ______________ 2
23) Christian Albers __________ 2
23) Adrian Sutil ______________ 2
23) Heikki Kovalainen ________ 2
39) Pedro Diniz ______________ 1
39) Crazy ex-Mercedes employee 1
39) Marc Gene _______________ 1
39) Jos Verstappen ___________ 1
39) Benetton ________________ 1
39) Mika Hakkinen ___________ 1
39) Enrique Bernoldi __________ 1
39) Arrows __________________ 1
39) Pele ____________________ 1
39) Hungaroring _____________ 1
39) Curva do Sol _____________ 1
39) Cristiano da Matta ________ 1
39) Toyota's launch control _____ 1
39) Neil Horan _______________ 1
39) Bridgestone ______________ 1
39) Cosworth ________________ 1
39) 2004 rule changes _________ 1
39) Ted Kravitz ______________ 1
39) French TV director ________ 1
39) Olivier Panis _____________ 1
39) Italian GP trophies ________ 1
39) Typhoon Ma-on ___________ 1
39) Red Bull _________________ 1
39) Shanghai's drain covers ____ 1
39) Yuji Ide _________________ 1
39) Nick Heidfeld ____________ 1
39) Ferrari engines ___________ 1
39) BMW pit crew ____________ 1
39) Lewisteria _______________ 1
39) Mike Gascoyne ___________ 1
39) Sebaastian Vettel _________ 1
39) Fuel rigs ________________ 1
39) Valencia street circuit _____ 1
39) Japan __________________ 1
39) Sebastien Bourdais ________ 1
39) Felipe Massa's entourage ___ 1
39) Bernie Ecclestone _________ 1
39) Nelson Piquet ____________ 1
39) Jamie McGregor __________ 1
39) Enoch Yan-Tak Law _______ 1
39) Ron Dennis ______________ 1
39) Flavio Briatore ___________ 1
39) Max Mosley ______________ 1
39) News of the World ________ 1
39) McLaren _________________ 1
39) Sauber __________________ 1
39) Jaguar __________________ 1
39) Minardi _________________ 1
39) Anthony Davidson _________1

[tc3j3r]

List now up-to-date as of Bahrain GP. BMW Sauber debuts on the leaderboard in 38th place, making it a 40-way tie...

[Yannick]

A 40-way tie is a terrible thing to wear with a suit.

[Waris]

A 40-way tie is a terrible thing to wear with a suit.

Yannick, I couldn't have come up with that myself. Where do you get it from?

Anyway. Poor Fisichella, he's notorious for his bad luck. And when he doesn't have bad luck he screws up himself. He's my favourite driver out of the current bunch (for lack of anything better), so I hope he'll be more succesful in the future...

Also, this championship has at least a decent number of classifieds! We should have numbers of drivers like that in Formula One!

[Bleu]

I was doing a count on which categories have earned how many RotRs. Didn't do that yet because I was thinking which categories are needed.

Drivers
Teams
Other manufacturers (Cosworth, Mercedes)
Tyre manufacturers
Team personnel (Briatore, Gascoyne)
Organization personnel (Mosley, Bernie, stewards)
Other persons (Pele, Kravitz, EYTL/JMcG)
Circuits (Curva do Sol fits there as well)
Other (trophies, drain covers)

[tc3j3r]

Sorry about the long delay, I was on holiday. Anyway, the list is now up-to-date as of the Spanish GP. For the first time since this leaderboard was created, the RotR has gone to a person/organization/thing that had already received the RotR previously: Ferrari. The Scuderia jump up from joint-10th to joint-6th on the leaderboard, level with the FIA stewards and Honda. So it's now a tie between Ferrari and Honda for the highest ranked team, both well ahead of the next highest, a 4-way tie between BAR, Jordan, Renault and Toyota.

[thehemogoblin]

Sorry about the long delay, I was on holiday. Anyway, the list is now up-to-date as of the Spanish GP. For the first time since this leaderboard was created, the RotR has gone to a person/organization/thing that had already received the RotR previously: Ferrari. The Scuderia jump up from joint-10th to joint-6th on the leaderboard, level with the FIA stewards and Honda. So it's now a tie between Ferrari and Honda for the highest ranked team, both well ahead of the next highest, a 4-way tie between BAR, Jordan, Renault and Toyota.

Ah, but are Honda and BAR really the same team? Eh? Think about it...

[Bleu]

I think Honda got two as a engine manufacturer: Belgium 2002 and Malaysia 2005. Then rest as a team or organization (Australia 2009)

[tc3j3r]

Sorry about the long delay, I was on holiday. Anyway, the list is now up-to-date as of the Spanish GP. For the first time since this leaderboard was created, the RotR has gone to a person/organization/thing that had already received the RotR previously: Ferrari. The Scuderia jump up from joint-10th to joint-6th on the leaderboard, level with the FIA stewards and Honda. So it's now a tie between Ferrari and Honda for the highest ranked team, both well ahead of the next highest, a 4-way tie between BAR, Jordan, Renault and Toyota.

Ah, but are Honda and BAR really the same team? Eh? Think about it...

Not as far as I'm concerned. A new name means a new team. BAR was a British team owned by a tobacco company, Honda was a Japanese team owned by a car company. Go to any F1 statistics website and the stats for BAR will not include its time as Honda, or vice-versa. If BAR and Honda are the same team then Force India and Jordan are the same team and Red Bull and Stewart are the same team. So China wasn't the first win for Red Bull, since their predecessors Stewart scored a victory. And Force India didn't just miss out on their first points in Monaco, since their predecessors Jordan and Spyker scored points. Does anyone really believe that? Honda may have receive the car numbers, price money, pit garage etc that BAR would have had, but this only makes them a continuation of BAR's entry, which IMO isn't quite the same thing as being the same team. I guess we all have to make our own minds up, and it's not really important, since neither team achieved much in the way of success, but IMO BAR and Honda are different teams. Related, but different.

[thehemogoblin]

I understand that. I'm just saying...

[captainhappy]

This is the single greatest thread ever seen on the F1rejects forum. Thank you all for bringing a spot light to the meaning of rejectdom.

Nick Kowalko,
Canada

[tc3j3r]

Leaderboard now up-to date as of the Monaco GP. Sebastian Vettel's 2nd RotR elevates him from joint-38th to joint-22nd in the rankings, level with Alex Wurz, the Ferrari pit crew, Toyota engines, Mercedes and Christian Klien. This turns the huge tie for 38th place into a huge tie for 39th place...

[Alianora La Canta]

Leaderboard now up-to date as of the Monaco GP. Sebastian Vettel's 2nd RotR elevates him from joint-38th to joint-22nd in the rankings, level with Alex Wurz, the Ferrari pit crew, Toyota engines, Mercedes and Christian Klien.

Was this the inspiration for the Superfund entry - to get as many of the 22nd-placed RotR people in the same team as possible? A Vettel/Klien line-up with a Wurz-organised car powered by Toyota built at the Mercedes factory and with a Ferrari pit crew would be entirely possible...