Unpopular F1 opinions

[UgncreativeUsergname]

Definitely bring back gravel traps, punish mistakes don't encourage them. And besides asphalt traps can turn bizarre. Bernie had Hockenheim scrub the dragstrip to turn it into an asphalt trap for the German GP, and the strip was so bad at the Nitrolympx the Top Fuel guys boycotted!

I support turning the runoff areas that make you gain time when you use them (like turn 1 at Hockenheim) into gravel traps, but the others can stay as tarmac.

[Phoenix]

Definitely bring back gravel traps, punish mistakes don't encourage them.

Brundle has mentioned this a few times, and to be honest, I completely agree with him. We may get a bit more attrition if this were to happen, although on the other hand, it may prevent people from trying to overtake.

Not in Maldonado's case, that's for sure

[TheBigJ]

These summer breaks are a necessary evil.

[FMecha]

These summer breaks are a necessary evil.

True, given that life isn't just F1.

[FullMetalJack]

Definitely bring back gravel traps, punish mistakes don't encourage them.

Brundle has mentioned this a few times, and to be honest, I completely agree with him. We may get a bit more attrition if this were to happen, although on the other hand, it may prevent people from trying to overtake.

Not in Maldonado's case, that's for sure

I meant normal F1 drivers. That means not Maldonado, or Hamilton at times.

[Wallio]

Brundle has mentioned this a few times, and to be honest, I completely agree with him. We may get a bit more attrition if this were to happen, although on the other hand, it may prevent people from trying to overtake.

Not in Maldonado's case, that's for sure

I meant normal F1 drivers. That means not Maldonado, or Hamilton at times.[/quote]

Those with "significant attachments" (as David Hobbs is fond of saying) will still try, and attrition is good, Catheram might score!

[darkapprentice77]

Louise Goodman is hotter than Lee Mckenzie.

[dr-baker]

Louise Goodman is hotter than Lee Mckenzie.

And Natalie Pinkham is hotter than Georgie Thompson.

[FullMetalJack]

Louise Goodman is hotter than Lee Mckenzie.

Johnny Herbert agrees with you

And Natalie Pinkham is hotter than Georgie Thompson.

I'm not saying Natalie Pinkham isn't hot, because she is. But hotter than Georgie? You're wrong

[AndreaModa]

Louise Goodman is hotter than Lee Mckenzie.

You should be locked up for saying things like that.

And Natalie Pinkham is hotter than Georgie Thompson.

This is the sort of thing I want to be reading! Spot on!

[AndreaModa]

Just uploaded a photo I had from the Donington Grand Prix collection to Flickr, and I noticed that the MP4/10 actually wasn't that ugly really. The mid-wing concept was a bit different, but really it doesn't look that bad in my opinion.

[Phoenix]

Just uploaded a photo I had from the Donington Grand Prix collection to Flickr, and I noticed that the MP4/10 actually wasn't that ugly really. The mid-wing concept was a bit different, but really it doesn't look that bad in my opinion.

Since I'm one of few that thinks the Ferrari 312T4/312T5 and F92A/F92AT are gorgeous, I'm not going to label your opinion as unpopular.

[pasta_maldonado]

Just uploaded a photo I had from the Donington Grand Prix collection to Flickr, and I noticed that the MP4/10 actually wasn't that ugly really. The mid-wing concept was a bit different, but really it doesn't look that bad in my opinion.

I agree, but losing the wing would make it beautiful. It can't be anything but really as it was an evolutionbof the stunning 93 and 94 chassis

[Wallio]

Really stupid question (that probably belongs in another thread) but wasn't the mid wing a response to some vented airbox rule? I did some searching online and found little. And was this rule revoked? Because didn't the wing go away after one year?

[AndreaModa]

Really stupid question (that probably belongs in another thread) but wasn't the mid wing a response to some vented airbox rule? I did some searching online and found little. And was this rule revoked? Because didn't the wing go away after one year?

You may be thinking of the rule changes following Imola '94 which mandated holes in the back of the airbox to reduce the volume of air being forced into the engine, thus reducing its power. I think they were only a stop-gap measure for the rest of the season until more permanent changes were enforced for 1995. The fixture for the mid-wing to the engine cover is pretty much exactly in the position where most teams put the holes in their airboxes, so I doubt it was related to that. Could be hopelessly wrong though!

[Wallio]

No that makes more sense. I probably have two totally different things mixes up. Too much lager!

[takagi_for_the_win]

Just uploaded a photo I had from the Donington Grand Prix collection to Flickr, and I noticed that the MP4/10 actually wasn't that ugly really. The mid-wing concept was a bit different, but really it doesn't look that bad in my opinion.

Seeing as though I thought the 1996 Ferrari was one of the better looking cars that year, I'm in no position to disagree with you .

Louise Goodman is hotter than Lee Mckenzie.

No. Just no.

[TheBigJ]

Lee McKenzie is hotter than Georgie Thompson.

[East Londoner]

Lee McKenzie is hotter than Georgie Thompson.

This.

[takagi_for_the_win]

Lee McKenzie is VERY hot.

[pasta_maldonado]

[Phoenix]

Really stupid question (that probably belongs in another thread) but wasn't the mid wing a response to some vented airbox rule? I did some searching online and found little. And was this rule revoked? Because didn't the wing go away after one year?

You may be thinking of the rule changes following Imola '94 which mandated holes in the back of the airbox to reduce the volume of air being forced into the engine, thus reducing its power. I think they were only a stop-gap measure for the rest of the season until more permanent changes were enforced for 1995. The fixture for the mid-wing to the engine cover is pretty much exactly in the position where most teams put the holes in their airboxes, so I doubt it was related to that. Could be hopelessly wrong though!

I just think they put the mid-wing to try and gain some downforce, that's it.

[FullMetalJack]

Baker, she's giving you that look!

[TheBigJ]

At the risk of going back on topic, and as much as I like Babe threads...

I want more teams like the current "new teams" in Formula 1, and I want a Pre-Qualifying like they did back in the eighties. Seeing the times on the 1989 thread in the Deletraz forum makes me yearn for teams to just turn up and get viciously DNPQ'd by about 10 seconds. I know on a forum like this where rejects are hailed as gods it is probably a popular opinion, but clearly nobody else wants this back, least of all the big teams. Why is this?

[Nuppiz]

At the risk of going back on topic, and as much as I like Babe threads...

I want more teams like the current "new teams" in Formula 1, and I want a Pre-Qualifying like they did back in the eighties. Seeing the times on the 1989 thread in the Deletraz forum makes me yearn for teams to just turn up and get viciously DNPQ'd by about 10 seconds. I know on a forum like this where rejects are hailed as gods it is probably a popular opinion, but clearly nobody else wants this back, least of all the big teams. Why is this?

Quite simply, everything is so damn expensive these days that it wouldn't make sense for a team to show up every weekend just to take part in one session as they DNPQ. I don't know the actualt budget numbers but I believe that even HRT's current budget is huge compared to most of the 80s/90s small teams.

[dr-baker]

Baker, she's giving you that look!

You mean, "Touch me, and I'll have your guts for garters"?

[pasta_maldonado]

Baker, she's giving you that look!

You mean, "Touch me, and I'll have your guts for garters"?

No, I'm sure that's the '"You. Me. 9pm. In my hotel room" sort of look

[mario]

At the risk of going back on topic, and as much as I like Babe threads...

I want more teams like the current "new teams" in Formula 1, and I want a Pre-Qualifying like they did back in the eighties. Seeing the times on the 1989 thread in the Deletraz forum makes me yearn for teams to just turn up and get viciously DNPQ'd by about 10 seconds. I know on a forum like this where rejects are hailed as gods it is probably a popular opinion, but clearly nobody else wants this back, least of all the big teams. Why is this?

Quite simply, everything is so damn expensive these days that it wouldn't make sense for a team to show up every weekend just to take part in one session as they DNPQ. I don't know the actualt budget numbers but I believe that even HRT's current budget is huge compared to most of the 80s/90s small teams.

Yes and no - it is true that HRT's budget, which is probably in the order of €40-45 million, would be comparable to or greater than that of the front running teams in the late 1980's and early 1990's (I believe that Williams was spending around £30 million a year in the early 1990's) if you took the figures at face value.

However, the effective purchasing power of a budget of £30 million in 1990 would be quite considerable when you take inflation into account - when you factor that in the comparison looks less apt as I believe that, inflation adjusted, Williams's budget in 1990 would be the equivalent of about £120 million (or around $190 million) today.
Although the increase in budgets has outstripped inflation slightly, that would still be a pretty respectable budget today - it'd probably put you at the top of the midfield pack (I believe that outfits like Sauber currently have a budget of around $160 million), perhaps even as far up the field as where Lotus is right now. On top of that, you have to remember that Williams were, I believe, getting free engines from Renault at the time - a deal not dissimilar to what Red Bull have at the moment - whereas HRT are having to pay for their engines, further cutting into their budget.

It also goes to show why the days of seeing teams queueing up to DNPQ are unlikely to return - if you are having to commit several tens of millions just to merely make it onto the grid, you are not going to want to see that money go up in smoke and be stuck sitting on the sidelines. As things stand, the FIA hasn't even been able to find a team that would be financially stable enough to take up the grid slot that became vacant when USF1 (or USGPE as it should strictly be known) couldn't take up their grid slot; I think that it would be hard to create a situation where a team could afford to DNPQ and still survive for any length of time.

[FullMetalJack]

Baker, she's giving you that look!

You mean, "Touch me, and I'll have your guts for garters"?

No, I'm sure that's the '"You. Me. 9pm. In my hotel room" sort of look

Pasta, spot on!

[dr-baker]

Baker, she's giving you that look!

You mean, "Touch me, and I'll have your guts for garters"?

No, I'm sure that's the '"You. Me. 9pm. In my hotel room" sort of look

Pasta, spot on!

Ahh, so that's where I've been going wrong all these years! I've been deliberately misreading the signals!!!

[FullMetalJack]

Baker, she's giving you that look!

You mean, "Touch me, and I'll have your guts for garters"?

No, I'm sure that's the '"You. Me. 9pm. In my hotel room" sort of look

Pasta, spot on!

Ahh, so that's where I've been going wrong all these years! I've been deliberately misreading the signals!!!

Glad to hear Pasta and myself have shown you the way.

[dr-baker]

Baker, she's giving you that look!

You mean, "Touch me, and I'll have your guts for garters"?

No, I'm sure that's the '"You. Me. 9pm. In my hotel room" sort of look

Pasta, spot on!

Ahh, so that's where I've been going wrong all these years! I've been deliberately misreading the signals!!!

Glad to hear Pasta and myself have shown you the way.

Thank you. I'm glad that there are people out there looking out for me.

[pasta_maldonado]

quote="redbulljack14"]Baker, she's giving you that look!

You mean, "Touch me, and I'll have your guts for garters"?

No, I'm sure that's the '"You. Me. 9pm. In my hotel room" sort of look

Pasta, spot on!

Glad to hear Pasta and myself have shown you the way.

Thank you. I'm glad that there are people out there looking out for me.[/quote]
And me, too. You'll be telling us about a girlfriend soon dr-baker!

[dr-baker]

Baker, she's giving you that look!

You mean, "Touch me, and I'll have your guts for garters"?

No, I'm sure that's the '"You. Me. 9pm. In my hotel room" sort of look

Pasta, spot on!

Glad to hear Pasta and myself have shown you the way.

Thank you. I'm glad that there are people out there looking out for me.

And me, too. You'll be telling us about a girlfriend soon dr-baker!

I hope so! I'll be back at uni within the next month after a long break - my chance to strike!

[pasta_maldonado]

Baker, she's giving you that look!

You mean, "Touch me, and I'll have your guts for garters"?

No, I'm sure that's the '"You. Me. 9pm. In my hotel room" sort of look

Pasta, spot on!

Glad to hear Pasta and myself have shown you the way.

Thank you. I'm glad that there are people out there looking out for me.

And me, too. You'll be telling us about a girlfriend soon dr-baker!

I hope so! I'll be back at uni within the next month after a long break - my chance to strike!

Remember the 3 P's - Presentation, Pose, and Personality! If you're wondering why you've never heard that before - I just made it up!

[dr-baker]

Baker, she's giving you that look!

You mean, "Touch me, and I'll have your guts for garters"?

No, I'm sure that's the '"You. Me. 9pm. In my hotel room" sort of look

Pasta, spot on!

Glad to hear Pasta and myself have shown you the way.

Thank you. I'm glad that there are people out there looking out for me.

And me, too. You'll be telling us about a girlfriend soon dr-baker!

I hope so! I'll be back at uni within the next month after a long break - my chance to strike!

Remember the 3 P's - Presentation, Pose, and Personality! If you're wondering why you've never heard that before - I just made it up!

Just so long as you are not taking the proverbial P, I'll bear that in mind!

[AndreaModa]

Christ how many quotes do you want to put into a post?!

[BlindCaveSalamander]

In an attempt to steer this thread back on track, how about this: 1985 was better than 1982.

[TheBigJ]

In an attempt to steer this thread back on track, how about this: 1985 was better than 1982.

'82 was a rather tragic year and the World Championship felt undeserved with just 1 race victory (a bit of a fluke IMO, another unpopular one no doubt). Yes it went down to the wire, but I think its fair to see the people who witnessed that year would probably agree with you


'85 was just bathplug up. Bellof was cruising to the title until his death, then Prost took over...

[pasta_maldonado]

In an attempt to steer this thread back on track, how about this: 1985 was better than 1982.

'82 was a rather tragic year and the World Championship felt undeserved with just 1 race victory (a bit of a fluke IMO, another unpopular one no doubt). Yes it went down to the wire, but I think its fair to see the people who witnessed that year would probably agree with you


'85 was just bathplug up. Bellof was cruising to the title until his death, then Prost took over...

A fluke 1982 may have been, but Rosberg sure as hell deserved it for the amount of effort he put into the races in the underpoered DFV engined FW08. I'm not saying no-one else deserved the title - Watson would have been a worthy winner, so would Pironi if he hadn't broke his legs, so would Villeneuve if he didn't pass away.