trivia question....

[eurobrun]

2 finished

[Wizzie]

Correct. Now, as a bonus thing, who were they and where did they finish?

[Jeroen Krautmeir]

Correct. Now, as a bonus thing, who were they and where did they finish?

I know Guerrero finished 2nd, but the other one is hard. I think Barbazza finished, but technically he hadn't been in F1 yet. I'm just going to take a stab and say the winner, Al Unser.

[cretoxyrhina]

Correct. Now, as a bonus thing, who were they and where did they finish?

I know Guerrero finished 2nd, but the other one is hard. I think Barbazza finished, but technically he hadn't been in F1 yet. I'm just going to take a stab and say the winner, Al Unser.

After watching the full race, I think I know what you did there... Is it Josele Garza?

[Wizzie]

Correct. Now, as a bonus thing, who were they and where did they finish?

I know Guerrero finished 2nd, but the other one is hard. I think Barbazza finished, but technically he hadn't been in F1 yet. I'm just going to take a stab and say the winner, Al Unser.

After watching the full race, I think I know what you did there... Is it Josele Garza?

The answer I was looking for was Barbazza but I guess that works too

[tommykl]

Here was my reasoning:
10 that started: Roberto Guerrero, Fabrizio Barbazza, Mario Andretti, Danny Sullivan, Derek Daly, Emerson Fittipaldi, A.J.Foyt, Bobby Rahal, Michael Andretti and Kevin Cogan.

4 that finished: Guerrero, Barbazza...

OK, two of them finished. But still, that's ten starters

[Wizzie]

Ah. Must have missed Rahal. My bad

[mario]

You know, given how popular this thread was, it seems a shame for it to remain dormant given that there have been some good questions in the past. So, to that end, here is one more question to revive this thread and to see what other interesting things are out there.
As is reasonably well known (and, for that matter, mentioned on the F1Rejects website), back in 1985 Ferrari and Michele Alboreto were fighting for both the WDC and WCC, only for poor reliability to cost Ferrari dearly in the final races as Alboreto suffered five back to back retirements. According to some sources, the sharp rise in mechanical breakdowns can be traced to a particular change that was made to the car partway through the season: what change did Ferrari make that went so badly wrong, and, more specifically, why did Ferrari make those changes?

[FantometteBR]

Had to resort to Ferrari text at the site but I guess has to be something about the engine or the turbo

[AdrianSutil]

I'm going to guess at a new turbo meant a more powerful gearbox which kept breaking under the strain.

[Stramala]

Indeed, I believe it had something to do with the gearbox, my guess is they didn't account for the turbo properly when they upgraded it and it overtorqued the 'box to hell.

[Jack O Melley]

The sudden mid-season Ferrari fall of performance and reliability was due to a singular decision taken by Enzo Ferrari: infact, thinking that German KKK turbines, which was also supplying McLaren that year (Alboreto's rival in the fight for the WDC title) would favor the English team powered by the also German engine Porsche, decided to switch to another supplier of turbines, the American company Garrett. As the story goes, after 1985 Dutch Grand Prix Ferrari immediately ordered his loyal collaborator Piccinini to make deliver at Maranello some new pieces of those American new turbines, which came in a rush just before the 1985 Italian Grand Prix. The results are plain for everyone: from that race onwards, Michele was unable to finish any race due to various mechanical problems - two of which were broken engines. This was one of the very few but crucial mistakes from il Commendatore, as he himself admitted: "We owe a World Championship Title to Michele."

[mario]

The sudden mid-season Ferrari fall of performance and reliability was due to a singular decision taken by Enzo Ferrari: infact, thinking that German KKK turbines, which was also supplying McLaren that year (Alboreto's rival in the fight for the WDC title) would favor the English team powered by the also German engine Porsche, decided to switch to another supplier of turbines, the American company Garrett. As the story goes, after 1985 Dutch Grand Prix Ferrari immediately ordered his loyal collaborator Piccinini to make deliver at Maranello some new pieces of those American new turbines, which came in a rush just before the 1985 Italian Grand Prix. The results are plain for everyone: from that race onwards, Michele was unable to finish any race due to various mechanical problems - two of which were broken engines. This was one of the very few but crucial mistakes from il Commendatore, as he himself admitted: "We owe a World Championship Title to Michele."

You've got it in one - Enzo Ferrari did indeed become convinced that KKK were favouring the TAG-Porsche outfit, particularly after the team suffered from an abnormally high number of turbocharger failures during the practise sessions at the German GP. Enzo became convinced that KKK were giving Ferrari inferior quality turbochargers in an effort to engineer a victory for McLaren and TAG-Porsche, so even though Alboreto won the race relations between KKK and Ferrari were increasingly strained.
To be fair to Enzo, he had already been the victim of favouritism and industrial espionage by German companies working with the TAG-Porsche team. According to Hanz Mezger, Porsche were struggling with the design of the piston rings a few years earlier until Mahle passed on information from Ferrari and Alfa Romeo's engine programs, so you can see why Enzo might have been paranoid.

As it was, Enzo did order Piccinini to contact Garrett for replacement turbochargers - however, the turbochargers that Garrett were manufacturing at the time were different in design to KKK's turbochargers, and with Enzo demanding that the new turbochargers should be fitted as soon as soon as possible the engineers didn't have enough time to modify the engine to accept the new turbocharger units. The upshot of that change in design was a sharp drop off in both reliability and overall engine performance which played right into the hands of Prost.

[tommykl]

New question: who was the first driver to be born after the beginning of the World Championship (13 March 1950)?

[Sunshine_Baby_[IT]]

New question: who was the first driver to be born after the beginning of the World Championship (13 March 1950)?

Larry Perkins was born on 18th March 1950.

[tommykl]

New question: who was the first driver to be born after the beginning of the World Championship (13 March 1950)?

Larry Perkins was born on 18th March 1950.

Oops, I seem to have made a mistake. It's 13 May 1950

[Sunshine_Baby_[IT]]

Oops, I seem to have made a mistake. It's 13 May 1950

I guess it's Masami Kuwashima (born on 14th September 1950).

[tommykl]

Oops, I seem to have made a mistake. It's 13 May 1950

I guess it's Masami Kuwashima (born on 14th September 1950).

You really have nothing to do with your days do you

Masami Kuwashima is indeed the right answer.

[Nuppiz]

In the same vein, who was the first Formula One driver to die after the first ever GP?

[tommykl]

In the same vein, who was the first Formula One driver to die after the first ever GP?

Joe Fry (I actually didn't have to check before posting, I already knew it beforehand)

[Nuppiz]

In the same vein, who was the first Formula One driver to die after the first ever GP?

Joe Fry (I actually didn't have to check before posting, I already knew it beforehand)

Indeed, Joseph "Joe" Fry, who shared a drive in a privately-entered Maserati with Brian Shawe-Taylor at the 1950 British GP (qualified 20th and finished 10th), died a few months later, on 29th July 1950 in an accident at a hillclimbing event.

[eurobrun]

Oops, I seem to have made a mistake. It's 13 May 1950

I guess it's Masami Kuwashima (born on 14th September 1950).

You really have nothing to do with your days do you

Masami Kuwashima is indeed the right answer.

Says the one who knows so much trivia about the 50s

[tommykl]

Says the one who knows so much trivia about the 50s

Touché

[eurobrun]

Says the one who knows so much trivia about the 50s

Touché

In all seriousness I find it really interesting how rejectful some of the drivers were.

[eagleash]

Says the one who knows so much trivia about the 50s

Touché

In all seriousness I find it really interesting how rejectful some of the drivers were.

That's pretty much because virtually anyone could obtain a racing licence, buy a car & if it passed scrutineering off you went. No matter how dodgy either you or the car were.

*Happy days*

*Edit* "Isn't that right Bernie".......

[Klon]

Something very easy for y'all: despite their reputation as a team for bringing in good young drivers, Minardi "only" managed to give one world champion his debut - Fernando Alonso, making him the most successful former Minardi driver in terms of WDC position. Who makes second and third place in that ranking?

[Wizzie]

Something very easy for y'all: despite their reputation as a team for bringing in good young drivers, Minardi "only" managed to give one world champion his debut - Fernando Alonso, making him the most successful former Minardi driver in terms of WDC position. Who makes second and third place in that ranking?

I'd imagine one Mark Webber would be one of those two drivers. The other person I'm thinking of is either Giancarlo Fisichella or Jarno Trulli solely on the basis they both drove for Renault

[Klon]

Well, you got that one right:

1. Fernando Alonso - 1st
2. Mark Webber - 3rd
3. Giancarlo Fisichella - 4th
4. Jarno Trulli/Alessandro Nannini - 6th
...

[Wizzie]

Well, you got that one right:

1. Fernando Alonso - 1st
2. Mark Webber - 3rd
3. Giancarlo Fisichella - 4th
4. Jarno Trulli/Alessandro Nannini - 6th
...

The amazing thing about all that is that all 5 of them drove for Renault/Benetton at some point in their careers (Alonso spent many years at Renault, Webber was Benetton's test driver at one point, Fisichella and Trulli were both Alonso's teammates and Nannini spent most of his career at Benetton before the helicopter accident)

[Klon]

The amazing thing about all that is that all 5 of them drove for Renault/Benetton at some point in their careers (Alonso spent many years at Renault, Webber was Benetton's test driver at one point, Fisichella and Trulli were both Alonso's teammates and Nannini spent most of his career at Benetton before the helicopter accident)

Makes you wonder whether there were some connection that we do not know of. Probably not, but interesting to think about.

[FantometteBR]

The amazing thing about all that is that all 5 of them drove for Renault/Benetton at some point in their careers (Alonso spent many years at Renault, Webber was Benetton's test driver at one point, Fisichella and Trulli were both Alonso's teammates and Nannini spent most of his career at Benetton before the helicopter accident)

Makes you wonder whether there were some connection that we do not know of. Probably not, but interesting to think about.

Briatore weren't part owner of some sort of it at some point of 90s?

[dr-baker]

The amazing thing about all that is that all 5 of them drove for Renault/Benetton at some point in their careers (Alonso spent many years at Renault, Webber was Benetton's test driver at one point, Fisichella and Trulli were both Alonso's teammates and Nannini spent most of his career at Benetton before the helicopter accident)

Makes you wonder whether there were some connection that we do not know of. Probably not, but interesting to think about.

Briatore weren't part owner of some sort of it at some point of 90s?

Yeas, I think you're right. It was just before or just after he had his Ligier shareholding (may even have been some overlap between his Ligier and Minardi shareholdings?).

[ibsey]

Yeas, I think you're right. It was just before or just after he had his Ligier shareholding (may even have been some overlap between his Ligier and Minardi shareholdings?).

I believe Flavio was in attendance for Minardi's new car launch in early 1997. So presumably it was around that time. Also probably explains why Trulli, who was managed by Flavio, also got the Minardi drive that year.

IIRC correctly Prost brought Ligier off Flavio in around early 1997 aswell.

[tommykl]

Which 1950's driver wore a plastic ear after losing his during a crash in Sweden?

[dinizintheoven]

Niki Lauda!

Oh, wait...

[midgrid]

Jean Behra?

[tommykl]

Jean Behra?

Correct!

[Wizzie]

A non-F1 question but still an alright one anyway:

Between their two drivers, how many racing laps did the two Dale Coyne do at the 2003 ChampCar race in Vancouver?

[FantometteBR]

A non-F1 question but still an alright one anyway:

Between their two drivers, how many racing laps did the two Dale Coyne do at the 2003 ChampCar race in Vancouver?

Two?

[Faustus]

A non-F1 question but still an alright one anyway:

Between their two drivers, how many racing laps did the two Dale Coyne do at the 2003 ChampCar race in Vancouver?

None? Was that the race that both Dale Coyne drivers didn't even start the race?