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Website · by **Wizzie** » 14 Oct 2010, 15:16

That probably was the championship that Cevert could have won if he never had that crash at The Glen.

by **James1978** » 14 Oct 2010, 18:32

Ferrim wrote:BTW, has anyone ever got unrejectified scoring less than 3 points?

Don't tell me, Lella Lombardi?

The races I know that were half points (1975 Spain and Austria, 1984 Monaco, 1991 Australia and 2009 Malaysia) all had top 6 drivers that were otherwise successfull, so I very much doubt it. I think Lombardi is the only one with a half point total though.

by **Phoenix** » 14 Oct 2010, 20:43

My predictions until 1980:
-1975: Reutemann.
-1976: Regazzoni.
-1977: Reutemann.
-1978: Peterson.
-1979: Gilles Villeneuve.
-1980: Reutemann.
:mrgreen:

by **Ferrim** » 14 Oct 2010, 22:56

1975
One result dropped from each half of the championship (14 races in total).

Carlos Reutemann 62 (63) (5 wins)*
Jochen Mass 39,5 (2 wins)*
Clay Regazzoni 39 (2 wins)*
Carlos Pace 37 (3 wins)
Patrick Dépailler 31 (3 2nds)
Ronnie Peterson 17,5 (2 2nds)*
Tom Pryce 17 (2 3rds)*
Mark Donohue 15 (1 2nd)
Vittorio Brambilla 14,5 (1 win)*
Tony Brise 9 (1 4th)
Jacky Ickx 9 (1 4th)*
Jacques Laffite 7 (1 2nd)
John Watson 4,5 (1 5th)*
Jean-Pierre Jarier 4,5 (1 4th)*
Gijs van Lennep 3 (1 4th)
Hans-Joachim Stuck 3 (1 4th)
Harald Ertl 3 (1 5th)
Lella Lombardi 2,5 (1 5th, 1 6th)*
Rolf Stommelen 2 (1 5th)
Bob Evans 1 (1 6th)
Torsten Palm1 (1 6th)
Brett Lunger 1 (1 6th)
Wilson Fittipaldi 1 (1 6th)

*denotes half-points in at least a race

I was referring to Lella's results here with my previous question :mrgreen:

So, does she unrectify herself? Is half a sixth the same as a full sixth to the effects of unrejectifying? Does she merit an article at the F1 Rejects Centrale of this alternative world as the only non-reject woman in Formula One?

Her other points result (5th) was at the Nurburgring, by the way.

Less important things at the top of the field, but still... Reutemann won the title with relative ease, as a lot of people shared good results between them. A very good season for Mass to finish second...

by **Ferrim** » 19 Oct 2010, 05:49

Another couple of seasons.

1976
One result dropped from each half of the championship (16 races in total).

Patrick Depailler 68 (6 wins)
Clay Regazzoni 52 (3 wins)
Jochen Mass 51 (3 wins)
John Watson 40 (2 wins)
Tom Pryce 31 (3 2nds)
Jacques Laffite 29 (3 2nds)
Carlos Pace 22 (1 2nd)
Gunnar Nilsson 21 (1 win)
Hans-Joachim Stuch 19 (2 2nds)
Ronnie Peterson 17 (1 win)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 10 (4 5ths)
Vittorio Brambilla 9 (1 3rd)
Harald Ertl 7 (1 3rd)
Carlos Reutemann 6 (1 2nd)
Chris Amon 5 (1 3rd)
Rolf Stommelen 3 (1 4th)
Jacky Ickx 3 (1 5th)
Larry Perkins 2 (1 5th)
Arturo Merzario 1 (1 6th)
Noritake Takahara 1 (1 6th)
Bob Evans 1 (1 6th)

No Hunt, no Lauda, no Schekter: Depailler takes the title with the 6-wheeled Tyrrell car! But there are more interesting things here. Jochen Mass took the fight to the wire (59-51 with one race to go), yes, you read it correctly: Jochen Mass! Also look at how well Tom Pryce did.

1977
One result dropped from the first nine races, and another one from the last eight.

Carlos Reutemann 74 (4 wins)
Jochen Mass 52 (2 wins)
Jacques Laffite 39 (1 win)
Gunnar Nilsson 38 (2 wins)
Patrick Depailler 38 (3 wins)
Hans-Joachim Stuck 33 (2 wins)
Clay Regazzoni 24 (1 win)
Vittorio Brambilla 23 (2 3rds)
John Watson 16 (1 win)
Ronnie Peterson 15 (1 2nd)
Patrick Tambay 13 (1 2nd)
Carlos Pace 9 (1 win)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 9 (1 2nd)
Rupert Keegan 6 (1 4th)
Riccardo Patrese 5 (1 4th)
Renzo Zorzi 4 (1 3rd)
Patrick Neve 3 (1 4th)
Ingo Hoffmann 3 (1 4th)
Hans Binder 3 (1 5th)
Vern Schuppan 2 (1 5th)
Danny Ongais 2 (1 5th)
Brian Henton 2 (1 5th)
Alex Ribeiro 2 (2 6ths)
Brett Lunger 2 (2 6ths)
Jacky Ickx 1 (1 6th)
Harald Ertl 1 (1 6th)

A season with lots of alternatives. 17 races (a record not beaten until 2004) saw 9 different winners. In the end it was Reutemann who performed the best and took a deserved second title. And Mass finishes second, again.

Given that no one bothered to discuss the issue, I officially announce that Lella Lombardi remains a reject here, because the original criteria of the site asked for scoring 3 points, which she hasn't. :mrgreen:

by **James1978** » 19 Oct 2010, 05:58

A championship for the 6-wheeled Tyrrell is classic, and I totally did not see that one coming (I think I went for Regazzoni in my original prediction!)

by **Phoenix** » 19 Oct 2010, 07:25

James1978 wrote:A championship for the 6-wheeled Tyrrell is classic, and I totally did not see that one coming (I think I went for Regazzoni in my original prediction!)

Me too! Rega was driving a Ferrari after all.

by **tommykl** » 19 Oct 2010, 23:58

Lombardi isn't a reject. The original criteria wasn't to score at least 3 points, it was to score more than 2 :mrgreen:

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by **Ferrim** » 20 Oct 2010, 04:02

1978
One result dropped from each half of the season (16 races):

Ronnie Peterson 70 (6 wins)
Carlos Reutemann 61 (4 wins)
John Watson 47 (1 win)
Patrick Depailler 43 (2 wins)
Jacques Laffite 40 (1 win)
Gilles Villeneuve 29 (1 win)
Riccardo Patrese 22 (1 win) -----> Arrows wins!
Patrick Tambay 22 (3 3rds)
Didier Pironi 21 (1 2nd)
Clay Regazzoni 9 (1 2nd)
Jean-Pierre Jabouille 6 (1 2nd)
Derek Daly 6 (1 4th)
Jochen Mass 6 (1 4th)
Vittorio Brambilla 5 (1 4th)
Héctor Rebaque 4 (1 3rd)
Hans-Joachim Stuck 3 (1 4th)
René Arnoux 2 (1 5th)
Bruno Giacomelli 1 (1 6th)
Brett Lunger 1 (1 6th)
Rolf Stommelen 1 (1 6th)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 1 (1 6th)

Peterson was already crowned champion going to Monza (30-point lead). Another (technically) posthumous champion…

tommykl wrote:Lombardi isn't a reject. The original criteria wasn't to score at least 3 points, it was to score more than 2 .

I'm afraid you're right! I've just made a quick search through the Internet Archive and I've found out it was more than 2, not less than 3 as I remembered (funny thing is that I made this same search a couple of months ago... silly me)

Thereby I officially announce that Lella Lombardi has unrejectified herself

by **James1978** » 20 Oct 2010, 04:31

Don't want to put a spanner in the works but what would happen if someone scored a half-points 5th place, plus a full-points 6th place?

by **Ferrim** » 22 Oct 2010, 08:03

1979
Four best results from the first seven races and four from the last eight races counted:

Gilles Villeneuve 58 (66) (6 wins)
Jacques Laffite 49 (4 wins)
Clay Regazzoni 42 (48) (3 wins)
Carlos Reutamann 25 (33) (3 2nds)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 25 (1 2nd)
Patrick Depailler 24 (27) (1 win)
Didier Pironi 24 (1 2nd)
John Watson 21 (3 3rds)
René Arnoux 19 (2 2nds)
Jochen Mass 14 (1 3rd)
Jean-Pierre Jabouille 10 (1 win)
Jacky Ickx 8 (1 2nd)
Elio de Angelis 8 (2 4ths)
Riccardo Patrese 4 (1 4th)
Héctor Rebaque 3 (1 4th)
Hans-Joachim Stuck 3 (1 5th)
Patrick Tambay 3 (1 5th)
Geoff Lees 2 (1 5th)
Ricardo Zunino 1 (1 6th)
Derek Daly 1 (1 6th)

Gilles Villeneuve takes the title he should have won, had he lived.

1980
Five best results from the first seven races and five from the last eight races counted:

Carlos Reutemann 63 (73) (5 wins)
Didier Pironi 46 (2 wins)
Jacques Laffite 43 (1 win)
René Arnoux 41 (3 wins)
Elio de Angelis 20 (2 2nds)
Derek Daly 18 (1 win)
Riccardo Patrese 16 (1 win)
Gilles Villeneuve 16 (3 4ths)
John Watson 14 (1 2nd)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 12 (1 3rd)
Jochen Mass 11 (1 3rd)
Bruno Giacomelli 10 (1 2nd)
Jean-Pierre Jabouille 9 (1 win)
Ricardo Zunino 5 (1 3rd)
Héctor Rebaque 5 (1 4th)
Marc Surer 4 (1 5th)
Rupert Keegan 1 (1 6th)

"Lole" Reutemann wins his third title on style.

The strange scoring system they used in these two seasons didn't cause as much havoc as I thought it would, because most people didn't finish too much. Villeneuve went into the final race of 1979 with 56 points (already dropped one from the first part of the season) and Laffite with 49. If the Frenchman won the final race he would have to drop a 6th place, but he would take the title no matter what Villeneuve did, because he already had 3 wins and a 2nd place from the second part of the season and could only score more points if he won the race. Sounds weird, doesn't it? You score 57 points, the best of the rest has 49 but finishing second won't guarantee you the title... Villeneuve said, "to the hell with the scoring system!", won the race and took the title.

1980 was way easier as Reutemann took the title with two races to spare.

by **Ferrim** » 26 Oct 2010, 05:30

1981
All results counting towards the championship:

Carlos Reutemann 68 (5 wins)
Jacques Laffite 57 (3 wins)
John Watson 39 (2 wins)
Elio de Angelis 33 (2 2nds)
Gilles Villeneuve 27 (2 wins)
Héctor Rebaque 23 (1 win)
René Arnoux 21 (3 2nds)
Riccardo Patrese 19 (1 win)
Eddie Cheever 18 (1 2nd)
Didier Pironi 17 (3 3rds)
Bruno Giacomelli 15 (1 win)
Marc Surer 8 (1 3rd)
Andrea de Cesaris 6 (1 4th)
Patrick Tambay 5 (1 3rd)
Siegfried Stohr 5 (1 4th)
Eliseo Salazar 4 (1 3rd)
Chico Serra 3 (1 4th)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 3 (3 6ths)
Slim Borgudd 1 (1 6th)
Derek Daly 1 (1 6th)
Michele Alboreto 1 (1 6th)

A storming start of the season gives Reutemann his second title in a row and fourth in eight seasons, making him the most successful driver in the history of the sport. After the first five races (4 wins and a second place) he only scored 26 points, but no one was able to mount a successful challenge.

1982
All results counting towards the championship:

John Watson 51 (3 wins)
Didier Pironi 46 (3 wins)
Michele Alboreto 45 (1 win, 2nds, 3rds, 4 4ths :mrgreen:

)
Riccardo Patrese 36 (4 wins)
Elio de Angelis 36 (1 win)
Patrick Tambay 31 (1 win)
René Arnoux 30 (2 wins)
Derek Daly 23 (1 2nd)
Eddie Cheever 18 (2 2nds)
Carlos Reutemann 9 (1 win)
Andrea de Cesaris 9 (1 3rd)
Marc Surer 9 (1 4th)
Jacques Laffite 8 (1 2nd)
Mauro Baldi 7 (1 3rd)
Gilles Villeneuve 6 (1 2nd)
Bruno Giacomelli 6 (1 4th)
Manfred Winkelhock 5 (1 3rd)
Chico Serra 5 (1 4th)
Brian Henton 5 (5 6ths)
Eliseo Salazar 4 (1 5th, 2 6ths)
Jochen Mass 4 (1 5th, 2 6ths)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 3 (1 4th)
Slim Borgudd 2 (1 5th)
Raul Boesel 2 (2 6ths)

A nightmare of a season. At the half-season mark, Watson enjoyed a healthy lead of 13 points over Patrese (3 finishes and 3 wins) and 18 over Pironi, who then launched a charge and went into the lead, with 46 points against Watson's 41. Then he had his horrific accident at the Hockenheimring, given Watson the title on a plate... or not? The Englishman hadn't scored points in the previous two races, and in fact went scoreless for five races in a row.

A couple of inspired drives by De Angelis, the sheer consistency of Alboreto and Patrese managing to finish another race (and taking another win in the process) put the championship very close heading to Monza: Pironi and Watson stuck at 46 and 41, but de Angelis and Patrese were up to 36 and Alboreto still stood a chance with 33. But De Angelis and Patrese retired at Monza, and Alboreto could only manage a 4th place, so all of the three were out of the fight.

Watson finished 3rd and Monza, and a composed drive at the final race made it for him.

Reutemann won the opening race of the season but decided to retire after the second one, feeling too old and that he didn't have anything left to win. He retires with 4 titles and 25 race wins, haven't made full statistics but I think no one has won so many so far.

Slim Borgudd unrejectifies ABBA... sorry, I meant himself.

by **Ferrim** » 27 Oct 2010, 23:25

1983
All results counting towards the championship:

René Arnoux 77 (6 wins)
Patrick Tambay 53 (3 wins)
Eddie Cheever 36 (1 win)
John Watson 34 (1 win)
Jacques Laffite 29 (1 win)
Andrea de Cesaris 26 (1 win)
Derek Warwick 21 (1 2nd)
Riccardo Patrese 16 (1 win)
Michele Alboreto 13 (1 win)
Marc Surer 12 (1 3rd)
Mauro Baldi 10 (2 3rds)
Bruno Giacomelli 9 (1 3rd)
Danny Sullivan 8 (1 2nd)
Jean-Pierre Jarier 6 (1 3rd)
Chico Serra 6 (1 4th)
Thierry Boutsen 5 (1 4th)
Elio de Angelis 4 (1 4th)
Johnny Cecotto 2 (1 5th)
Corrado Fabi 2 (1 5th)
Raul Boesel 2 (2 6ths)
Piercalo Ghinzani 1 (1 6th)
Manfred Winkelhock 1 (1 6th)

This was a contest between the Ferrari drivers. Tambay was in a close fight against Arnoux until after the British GP. Four wins in a row for Arnoux handled him the title.

Rosberg can't be disqualified from the Brazilian results, as he was not racing. I've decided to give points to the top six for that race.

1984
All results counting towards the championship:

Elio de Angelis 73 (4 wins)*
René Arnoux 55,5 (3 wins)*
Michele Alboreto 51 (5 wins)*
Derek Warwick 37 (3 wins)
Patrick Tambay 31 (1 win)
Teo Fabi 20 (3 2nds)
Riccardo Patrese 19 (2 2nds)
Andrea de Cesaris 13 (1 3rd)
Jacques Laffite 12 (2 3rds)*
Thierry Boutsen 11 (1 3rd)
Eddie Cheever 9 (1 2nd)
Piercarlo Ghinzani 8,5 (3 4ths)*
Marc Surer 7 (1 4th)
Manfred Winkelhock 6 (1 3rd)
François Hesnault 6 (1 4th)
Stefan Johansson 4 (1 3rd)
Mauro Baldi 4 (2 5ths)
Johnny Cecotto 3 (1 4th)
Jonathan Palmer 3 (1 5th)
Philippe Alliot 3 (1 5th)
Huub Rothengatter 3 (1 5th)
Corrado Fabi 2 (1 5th)

*half points at the Monaco GP

De Angelis won, but it wasn't as big a cakewalk as I had feared (as he finished most of the races in real life, and with Prost, Lauda, Piquet and Rosberg taking all the wins bar one I thought he would win a lot of times)

The Italian based his title chase on finishing all the time, which was heavily criticised by many. The "all results count" system introduced in '81 was promoting reliability and taking risks didn't pay out anymore, or so they said.

The FIA listened to these critics and introduced a new scoring system for 1985, on which just the 11 best results counted. The irony being that, had it been applied in 1984, De Angelis would have had to drop just a result…

by **James1978** » 28 Oct 2010, 03:15

The mere fact that Rene Arnoux becomes a champion under this system is worth the whole thing alone.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 28 Oct 2010, 19:13

James1978 wrote:The mere fact that Rene Arnoux and Gilles Villeneve become champions under this system is worth the whole thing alone.

Fixed

by **Ferrim** » 28 Oct 2010, 21:57

1985
11 best results count:

Michele Alboreto 78 (8 wins)
Elio de Angelis 61 (2 wins)
Stefan Johansson 54 (3 wins)
Thierry Boutsen 29 (2 2nds)
Jacques Laffite 28 (1 win)
Marc Surer 24 (1 win)
Patrick Tambay 23 (1 2nd)
Derek Warwick 22 (1 win)
Gerhard Berger 22 (2 2nds)
Martin Brundle 13 (1 3rd)
Philippe Streiff 12 (1 2nd)
Stefan Bellof 11 (1 3rd)
Andrea de Cesaris 4 (1 3rd)
René Arnoux 4 (1 3rd)
Ivan Capelli 4 (1 3rd)
John Watson 4 (1 3rd)
Pierluigi Martini 2 (1 5th)
Huub Rothengatter 1 (1 6th)

This one was strange… Alboreto didn't manage to score a single point for the last five races! But he had build a big gap, and De Angelis wasn't very successful in the final races either.

The final races kept throwing strange results, with Berger going from 3 points in real life to 22 here, Brundle from 0 to 13, Surer and Warwick winning…

And now, a bit of suspense:

1986
11 best results count:
Standings after the first half of the season:

Jacques Laffite 40 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd)
René Arnoux 33 (3 wins, 1 2nd)
Michele Alboreto 19 (2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 4th)
Gerhard Berger 18 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 4th)
Stefan Johansson 17 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 5th)
Riccardo Patrese 14 (3 3rds, 1 5th)
Teo Fabi 12 (1 win, 1 4th)
Thierry Boutsen 11 (2 3rds, 1 4th)
Martin Brundle 10 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th)
Philippe Streiff 6 (2 5ths, 2 6ths)
Marc Surer 5 (1 4th, 2 6ths)
Johnny Dumfries 3 (1 4th)
Patrick Tambay 3 (1 4th)
Derek Warwick 2 (1 5th)
Jonathan Palmer 2 (1 5th)
Huub Rothengatter 1 (1 6th)
Elio de Angelis 1 (1 6th)

One of the most intriguing seasons. Laffite, aged 42, is leading the Championship in the Ligier, his only opposition his teammate René Arnoux.

I'll post an update later.

by **James1978** » 28 Oct 2010, 22:53

Well Laffite won't win due to his crash, but fingers crossed Arnoux will get a 2nd championship! (But I don't think his 2nd half of the year was that wonderful either, but maybe he profits enough from there being no Prost, Mansell, Senna, Piquet and Rosberg.......).

I'm not sure the Ferraris or Berger finish enough races.

by **QuickYoda41** » 28 Oct 2010, 23:45

Poor Laffite finally was on track to win a championship finally...

by **Ferrim** » 29 Oct 2010, 06:57

At Brands Hatch, Laffite broke both his legs and was forced to retire from Formula One. Arnoux took the challenge, won at Brands and at Hockenheim and was holding a lead of 30 points over Berger and 32 points over Johansson with 6 races (54 points) to go. The title was his to lose...

But Johansson had other plans. A win at the inaugural race of the Hungaroring and a second place at Austria, and two pointless races by Arnoux, brought him back in contention, with 4 races to go. But the Frenchman was still heavily favoured. In fact, Johansson still lied behind Laffite in the standings:

René Arnoux 51 (5 wins, 1 2nd)
Jacques Laffite 40 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd)
Stefan Johansson 34 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 2 5ths)
Michele Alboreto 28 (1win, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 4th)
Gerhard Berger 23 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 4th)
Martin Brundle 20 (1 2nd, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th)
Riccardo Patrese 14 (3 3rds, 1 5th)
Patrick Tambay 14 (1 3rd, 3 4ths)
Teo Fabi 12 (1 win, 1 4th)
Philippe Streiff 12 (1 3rd, 3 5ths, 2 6ths)
Johnny Dumfries 12 (1 2nd, 2 4ths)
Thierry Boutsen 11 (2 3rds, 1 4th)
Derek Warwick 10 (1 2nd, 2 5ths)
Marc Surer 5 (1 4th, 2 6ths)
Christian Danner 3 (1 4th)
Jonathan Palmer 3 (1 5th, 1 6th)
Huub Rothengatter 2 (2 6ths)
Elio de Angelis 1 (1 6th)
Philippe Alliot 1 (1 6th)
Allen Berg 1 (1 6th)

by **Ferrim** » 30 Oct 2010, 02:32

Yesterday's post had a mistake about Monza, it's corrected now

Johansson's win at Monza, in front of the tifosi, and the third mechanical-induced retirement in a row for Arnoux, brought the Swedish into striking distance of the French. But then, at the Portuguese GP, the Ferraris were incredibly allowed to race, despite the fact that Alboreto's chances were nearly over, and were effectively so when Arnoux managed to finish in 3rd place, behind them. Even so, Arnoux's lead had shrinked from 32 to just 6 points in just 4 races.

But Mexico was a complete disaster for Ferrari, Johansson starting 9th (just behind Arnoux in 8th) and finishing just 8th, out of the points. Arnoux just needed a 4th place to clinch the title, but he had a lot of problems and had to retire. The title would be decided at the streets of Adelaide... The Ligier was tremendous there, and Arnoux managed to set the fastest time in qualifying: pole position for him and 3rd place for teammate Alliot, Johansson down on 7th place, while the only result that would give him any chance was the win. Ligier were already celebrating...

...but the start spelled drama for Arnoux. A poor start saw him wheel to wheel with Alboreto into the first corner, they made contact, and the French lost his front wing. He had to pit, and fell to last! Still, Johansson needed to win. The Ferrari was clearly much faster than during qualifying, and after 15 laps, he took the lead: Arnoux needed to climb up to 4th now. His Ligier was undoubtedly great around this track, so it was a matter of whether he would have the time to come through. By lap 30 out of 81 he was back into the top 10; by lap 42, he was in the points! Brundle, in 4th, was just half a minute up the road, but the Tyrrell was quite competitive in race conditions and the laps started to go by... and Arnoux run out of time. He finished 5th...

Final standings
Stefan Johansson 58 (4 wins, 3 2nds, 2 5ths)
René Arnoux 57 (5 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 5th)
Jacques Laffite 40 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd)
Gerhard Berger 38 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 2 4ths, 1 5th)
Michele Alboreto 37 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 4th)
Martin Brundle 27 (2 2nds, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 6ths)
Thierry Boutsen 20 (4 3rds, 1 4th, 1 6th)
Philippe Streiff 18 (2 3rds, 4 5ths, 2 6ths)
Johnny Dumfries 17 (1 2nd, 3 4ths, 1 5th)
Teo Fabi 15 (1 win, 2 4ths)
Riccardo Patrese 14 (3 3rds, 1 5th)
Patrick Tambay 14 (1 3rd, 3 4ths)
Derek Warwick 10 (1 2nd, 2 5ths)
Christian Danner 8 (2 4ths, 1 5th)
Philippe Alliot 8 (1 2nd, 2 6ths)
Marc Surer 5 (1 4th, 2 6ths)
Jonathan Palmer 4 (1 5th, 2 6ths)
Huub Rothengatter 2 (2 6ths)
Elio de Angelis 1 (1 6th)
Andrea de Cesaris 3 (1 4th)
Allen Berg 1 (1 6th)

by **Ferrim** » 30 Oct 2010, 02:39

And now the year I was born, but much shorter:

1987
11 best results count:

Stefan Johansson 67 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 4 3rds)
Gerhard Berger 57 (4 wins, 3 2nds)
Teo Fabi 36 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Thierry Boutsen 35 (1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds)
Michele Alboreto 30 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Eddie Cheever 24 (2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Satoru Nakajima 24 (1 win)
Jonathan Palmer 23 (3 3rds)
Philippe Streiff 19 (2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Riccardo Patrese 17 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Philippe Alliot 12 (1 2nd)
Derek Warwick 11 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Christian Danner 9 (1 4th)
Andrea de Cesaris 6 (1 2nd)
Martin Brundle 6 (1 3rd)
Piercarlo Ghinzani 6 (1 4th)
Ivan Capelli 4 (1 4th)
René Arnoux 4 (1 5th)
Pascal Fabre 3 (1 5th)
Roberto Moreno 1 (1 6th)

Mediocre season overall. Johansson won, because someone had to do it, and he was the only one that finished in the points most of the time. Too many retirements for Berger.

by **James1978** » 30 Oct 2010, 02:56

Boo! to 1986.

I reckon that would have been similar to Brazil 2008 in reality, becuase I seem to remember reading somewhere that Johansson only passed both the Tyrrells on the last lap as they were running out of fuel, which would be similar to Glock not being able to stay ahead of Hamilton on his dry tyres........

At least Arnoux still got 1983, though him winning it in a Ligier would have been WAY cooler than winning in a Ferrari!

And hell yes - Satoru Nakajima wins a race in his first year, wonder if Kazuki could nab one in 2008 (that may depend on if a Red Bull driver wins this year to clear out an extra place)!

by **Ferrim** » 30 Oct 2010, 03:42

James1978 wrote:Boo! to 1986.

I reckon that would have been similar to Brazil 2008 in reality, becuase I seem to remember reading somewhere that Johansson only passed both the Tyrrells on the last lap as they were running out of fuel, which would be similar to Glock not being able to stay ahead of Hamilton on his dry tyres.......

Yeah, I was doing nearly a lap-by-lap of the latter part of the race, until I found out that the drivers were switching positions pretty weirdly every lap, and of course the race reports you find in the web talk about the fight between Prost, Mansell and Piquet so I couldn't really know what happened behind them. I believe a lot of people started pitting for tyres after Mansell's accident. There was a lap which had the Tyrrells 1-2 followed by Johansson and Arnoux, then the next lap Johansson was again leading and Arnoux down to 6th... (all of this after taking the champions out of the race order)... so I just went for the final race results.

by **Ferrim** » 31 Oct 2010, 04:15

1988
11 best results count:

Gerhard Berger 74 (4 wins, 4 2nds, 1 3rd)
Thierry Boutsen 65 (66) (5 wins, 2 2nds)
Michele Alboreto 40 (1 win, 4 2nds)
Derek Warwick 37 (2 2nds, 4 3rds)
Ivan Capelli 35 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Alessandro Nannini 32 (2 wins, 3 3rds)
Riccardo Patrese 25 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Eddie Cheever 18 (2 3rds)
Mauricio Gugelmin 16 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Satoru Nakajima 12 (2 4ths)
Jonathan Palmer 11 (2 3rds)
Andrea de Cesaris 9 (1 2nd)
Pierluigi Martini 6 (2 4ths)
Alex Caffi 6 (2 5ths)
Yannick Dalmas 4 (1 5th)
Martin Brundle 3 (1 4th)
Gabriele Tarquini 2 (1 5th)
Philippe Streiff 1 (1 6th)
Luis Pérez Sala 1 (1 6th)
Philippe Alliot 1 (1 6th)
Stefan Johansson 1 (1 6th)

A not too difficult championship and first championship title for Berger, although Benetton's fuel irregularities at Spa prevented a Boutsen win in net points (he would had 75 points, dropping 2 because of the rule of 11 best). From the third race of the season Berger always had a +10 lead, so he wasn't really under threat.

1989
11 best results count:

Riccardo Patrese 60 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 3 3rds)
Thierry Boutsen 54 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Alessandro Nannini 51 (3 wins, 2 2nds, 2 3rds)
Gerhard Berger 27 (3 wins)
Derek Warwick 23 (1 2nd, 3 3rds)
Jean Alesi 18 (2 2nds)
Eddie Cheever 18 (2 2nds)
Pierluigi Martini 14 (1 2nd)
Alex Caffi 14 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Mauricio Gugelmin 13 (1 win)
Stefan Johansson 12 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Martin Brundle 11 (3 4ths, 1 5th)
Michele Alboreto 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Andrea de Cesaris 10 (2 3rds)
Johnny Herbert 9 (1 2nd)
Stefano Modena 9 (1 win)
Olivier Grouillard 7 (2 4ths)
Jonathan Palmer 7 (1 4th, 2 5ths)
Satoru Nakajima 7 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Emanuele Pirro 6 (1 4th)
Luis Pérez Sala 5 (1 3rd, 1 6th)
Christian Danner 5 (1 3rd, 1 6th)
Gabriele Tarquini 4 (1 4th)
René Arnoux 3 (1 4th)
Philippe Alliot 3 (1 4th)

Looks closer than it really was. Patrese opened a gap in mid-season and he hang to it, neither Boutsen nor Nannini were able to consistently challenge him. Strong 2-3 for Minardi at Silverstone; if only Nannini had run into trouble...

by **WeirdKerr** » 31 Oct 2010, 07:58

Interesting to see Johansson champion in '87 then in '88 only get 1 point

by **FullMetalJack** » 31 Oct 2010, 08:30

WeirdKerr wrote:Interesting to see Johansson champion in '87 then in '88 only get 1 point

He drove the shitbox Ligier in '88 didnt he alongside bullshitter Arnoux.

by **James1978** » 31 Oct 2010, 17:20

Arnoux went from almost winning in 1986 to almost being a reject in 1987 as well!

I think next few years of this we may end up wishing Berger and Patrese could both have been eliminated.......(and will later on with other perennial top teams' second drivers like Rubens, DC, Irvine and Massa)

by **Ferrim** » 31 Oct 2010, 20:11

1990
11 best results count:

Gerhard Berger 87 (7 wins, 4 2nds)
Thierry Boutsen 56 (2 wins, 4 2nds, 2 3rds)
Riccardo Patrese 46 (1 win, 2 2nds, 4 3rds)
Alessandro Nannini 44 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd)
Jean Alesi 37 (2 wins, 1 3rd)
Eric Bernard 17 (1 2nd)
Aguri Suzuki 16 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Ivan Capelli 15 (1 win)
Derek Warwick 13 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Roberto Moreno 12 (1 win)
Satoru Nakajima 12 (1 3rd)
Alex Caffi 11 (3 4ths)
Stefano Modena 9 (2 3rds)
Mauricio Gugelmin 6 (1 3rd)
Pierluigi Martini 5 (2 5ths, 1 6th)
Martin Donnelly 5 (2 5ths, 1 6th)
Nicola Larini 4 (1 5th)
Michele Alboreto 2 (1 5th)
Gregor Foitek 1 (1 6th)
Philippe Alliot 1 (1 6th)
Andrea de Cesaris 1 (1 6th)

Second title for Gerhard Berger, easier than the '88 one. All his results were first and second places.

1991
All results count. First season of 10 points for a win:

Riccardo Patrese 85 (6 wins, 3 2nds*, 1 3rd)
Gerhard Berger 71 (6 wins*, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Jean Alesi 46 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds)
Andrea de Cesaris 28 (2 2nds, 2 3rds, 1 5th*)
Stefano Modena 27 (2 wins, 1 3rd)
Roberto Moreno 21 (2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Pierluigi Martini 15 (2 3rds)
Bertrand Gachot 13 (1 2nd)
Mauricio Gugelmin 12 (1 3rd)
Gianni Morbidelli 10 (1 3rd*)
Emanuele Pirro 9,5 (1 3rd, 1 4th*)
Satoru Nakajima 9 (1 2nd, 1 4th)
JJ Lehto 9 (1 2nd, 1 4th)
Thierry Boutsen 8 (1 4th)
Ivan Capelli 7 (1 3rd)
Martin Brundle 5 (1 3rd)
Aguri Suzuki 4 (1 3rd)
Eric Bernard 4 (1 4th, 1 6th)
Mark Blundell 4 (1 4th, 1 6th)
Julian Bailey 3 (1 4th)
Nicola Larini 3 (1 4th)
Johnny Herbert 3 (1 4th)
Alex Zanardi 2,5 (1 5th, 1 6th*)
Gabriele Tarquini 2 (1 5th)
Eric Comas 2 (2 6ths)

*Half points for one of these results, because of Adelaide not reaching 75% distance

This season is the other way around to some of the previous ones: it was closer than it looks. With 4 races to go there was a tie between Patrese and Berger, even on countback, but the Iberian GPs at Estoril and Barcelona were 2 wins for Patrese and 0 points for Berger.

The final races of this season were terrible, you had to remove Senna, Prost, Mansell, Piquet, Schumacher and Hakkinen!

Alex Zanardi unrejectifies himself. He was always going to do it here, but still it's nice. Also look at how many strong performances of rubbished drivers there are here: De Cesaris, Modena, Moreno, Martini, Gachot, Gugelmin...

by **James1978** » 31 Oct 2010, 23:27

To be honest i think it's better when there are more champions to remove, then you get more obscure results!

I think most of 94/95 will have the fewest in the modern era that you have to eliminate, there's only Schumacher, Hill and Hakkinen (except for the few races Mansell drove in). Senna didn't register a finish in 1994 before he died either.

by **Ferrim** » 31 Oct 2010, 23:43

James1978 wrote:To be honest i think it's better when there are more champions to remove, then you get more obscure results!

I think most of 94/95 will have the fewest in the modern era that you have to eliminate, there's only Schumacher, Hill and Hakkinen (except for the few races Mansell drove in). Senna didn't register a finish in 1994 before he died either.

The point of doing this was to show a "parallel history" of F1 that could be (at least) somewhat (remotely) realistic. What if every WC had never been a racing driver? Who would have been the most successful guys?

I already counted on having multiple champions: the guys who were very good, but not great, or who were tremendously unlucky. People like Moss, McLaren, Ickx, Reutemann, Berger, Patrese or (hopefully) Coulthard and Barrichello will get the recognition they deserve. And I like it

by **Ferrim** » 01 Nov 2010, 04:55

1992

Riccardo Patrese 96 (9 wins, 1 2nd)
Gerhard Berger 74 (4 wins, 5 2nds, 1 3rd)
Martin Brundle 72 (2 wins, 8 2nds, 1 3rd)
Jean Alesi 34 (1 win, 3 2nds, 1 3rd)
Michele Alboreto 31 (3 3rds)
Andrea de Cesaris 20 (1 3rd)
Erik Comas 16 (2 3rds)
Johnny Herbert 10 (1 3rd, 2 4ths)
Ivan Capelli 9 (2 3rds)
Thierry Boutsen 9 (3 4ths)
JJ Lehto 8 (1 3rd)
Aguri Suzuki 8 (3 5ths)
Pierluigi Martini 7 (2 4ths)
Karl Wendlinger 5 (1 3rd)
Bertrand Gachot 4 (1 3rd)
Christian Fittipaldi 3 (1 5th, 1 6th)
Gianni Morbidelli 3 (1 5th, 1 6th)
Stefano Modena 2 (1 5th)
Mauricio Gugelmin 2 (1 5th)
Olivier Grouillard 1 (1 6th)
Paul Belmondo 1 (1 6th)
Eric van de Poele 1 (1 6th)

The most dominant car in Grand Prix history at his hands; what could go wrong? Not a lot. Patrese took the title with 3 races to spare and never looked like he was really under threat. Alesi scoring 34 points for Ferrari after Mansell, Senna and Schumacher are taken from the results really shows how poor the 92 Ferrari was. Also look at how well Alboreto performed in the Footwork.

by **James1978** » 01 Nov 2010, 05:24

Capelli only got 9 points with 4 champions taken out (as Hakkinen would have often finished in front of him a lot too)! :lol:

Website · by **Wizzie** » 01 Nov 2010, 09:28

Alesi and Berger are going to dominate the mid 90s if my reckoning is correct

by **Ferrim** » 01 Nov 2010, 23:57

1993 (part one)

The season started with a great win for Ligier's Mark Blundell in the South African GP. He was joined at the podium by Fittipaldi in the Minardi and Lehto for the newcomers Sauber.

The rainy races at Interlagos and Donnington showed Johnny Herbert's talent, scoring two wins for Lotus, while Martin Brundle took the win at Imola, making it 2 wins each for Lotus and Ligier. But the next few races were very bad for Lotus and relatively poor for Ligier; Patrese took his first win of the season at the wheel of the Benetton, while Ferrari scored two wins at Monaco and Montreal, the first for Alesi and the second for Berger.

After seven races, the standings are...

Johnny Herbert 21 (2 wins, 1 6th)
Martin Brundle 20 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Mark Blundell 19 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 4th)
Christian Fittipaldi 18 (2 2nds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th)
Gerhard Berger 17 (1 win, 1 3rd, 1 4th)
Riccardo Patrese 16 (1 win, 1 2nd)
JJ Lehto 13 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th)
Jean Alesi 12 (1 win, 1 5th)
Alex Zanardi 9 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th)
Michael Andretti 8 (1 2nd, 1 5th)
Fabrizio Barbazza 7 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Philippe Alliot 7 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Karl Wendlinger 4 (1 3rd)
Erik Comas 4 (1 5th, 2 6ths)
Derek Warwick 3 (1 5th, 1 6th)
Luca Badoer 2 (1 5th)
Rubens Barrichello 1 (1 6th)

by **Shizuka** » 02 Nov 2010, 01:02

Can I do 97 and 98?

And 93 seems like it's going to be a tough one.

by **Ferrim** » 02 Nov 2010, 01:29

Shizuka wrote:Can I do 97 and 98?

And 93 seems like it's going to be a tough one.

I've got these already done

by **Shizuka** » 02 Nov 2010, 01:33

Tricky...

by **James1978** » 02 Nov 2010, 03:45

I knew 1993 would be good as the four champions were miles ahead of anyone else in reality!

Shizuka, I think it would be a good idea just to let Ferrim tell the story as it unfolds in all honesty.

by **Ferrim** » 02 Nov 2010, 07:38

1993 (part two)

At Magny Cours, Martin Brundle scored his second victory of the season and took the lead of the championship. But things were about to take a radical change, as the 3-times champion Patrese finally gave the kick-off to his season at Silverstone. 2 wins and 2 second places in the following 4 races put him in a strong position.

Still, the title chase wasn't over. Brundle kept collecting points at these venues, while Blundell won at Hockenheim and Herbert brought himself back into contention with his Spa win. 4 rounds from the end, Patrese led with 49 points, followed by Brundle (39), Herbert (37) and Blundell (33).

Ferrari's chances were dire: Berger's 28 points were few, and Alesi with 16 was all but discarded. But their final updates of the season were good, and the F93A became the class of the field, claiming pole position for the last four races of the season. Sadly for them, it was Alesi's car the one which lasted the races: the Sicilian won at Monza and Estoril, while the Austrian retired at both venues. Patrese barely scored in these two GPs, but neither Blundell nor Herbert did. With 2 races to go, Patrese's lead was starting to look too big to overcome: 52 points against 43 for Brundle, 37 for Herbert, 36 for the revived Alesi and 33 for Blundell; Berger's bid was now completely over.

Suzuka was looking like more of the same: Patrese underperformed on qualifying and would start 5th, but that was better than Alesi (9th), Brundle (10th), Blundell (12th) and Herbert (14th). Now that Ferrari needed Alesi to perform, it was Berger on pole!

During the race, Alesi retired early with an electrics failure, putting his chances to an end. Blundell needed a win to stay in the fight, Herbert a second place, but neither of them were ever on the run for it. Patrese was 5th with 10 laps to go, but he made a mistake, spun off and retired! Brundle managed to save a couple of points (while Jordan scored a magnificent Barrichello-Irvine 1-2!). Now it was down to the two of them, the Italian clear favourite with a 7 points lead. Brundle needed a win at Adelaide, with Patrese finishing 5th or worse.

Qualifying for the Australian Grand Prix had the Ferraris on the front row, Brundle 3rd and Patrese 4th! All what Riccardo needed was to stay close to Martin, and so he did. He run for most of the race on 5th place, not enough, but Brundle could do nothing about the two Ferraris in front of him.

Alesi won the race, meaning that if he had managed to finish the race and take the win at Suzuka (very likely as the Jordans were no match for the Ferrari) he would have won the title after an unbelievable comeback, winning the last four races of the season. Sadly, it didn't happen, and the man who no-one wanted to win the championship (because we are bored of seeing him winning all the time) won it. We can say that Ferrari's resurgence kept Brundle away from scoring the points he needed to overhaul Patrese's total.

Final standings
Riccardo Patrese 54 (3 wins, 3 2nds)
Martin Brundle 49 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 4 3rds)
Jean Alesi 46 (4 wins)
Mark Blundell 38 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Johnny Herbert 37 (3 wins, 1 2nd)
Gerhard Berger 34 (1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds)
Michael Andretti 23 (3 2nds)
JJ Lehto 23 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Christian Fittipaldi 22 (2 2nds)
Karl Wendlinger 17 (1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Rubens Barrichello 15 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Derek Warwick 11 (2 3rds)
Alex Zanardi 9 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th)
Philippe Alliot 9 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th)
Fabrizio Barbazza 7 (1 3rd)
Eddie Irvine 6 (1 2nd)
Erik Comas 6 (2 5ths)
Pierluigi Martini 4 (1 5th)
Aguri Suzuki 3 (1 4th)
Luca Badoer 2 (1 5th)

Patrese's title defense was pretty poor, and he nearly managed to lose it. He decides to call it a day and retire as a 4-time world champion.

This is the first championship susceptible of not being definitely settled, as a certain Rubens Gonçalves Barrichello was already competing this year and technically could still win a F1 title. This one is not affected by him being removed from the scores, but other seasons could (I haven't done the numbers for other seasons, just this one out of curiosity: Patrese still wins by 5 points).

It's amazing that Barrichello is still racing. I know he started very young, but out of the drivers who competed in '93 it's just Schumacher still racing. Badoer also had 2 race starts last season, and the next 1993 driver to have last started a F1 race is Eddie Irvine, who did it for the last time in... 2002.

by **James1978** » 02 Nov 2010, 08:04

Patrese in this is starting to look like early 00s Michael Schumacher in reality. I really wanted it be be a Ligier driver -Brundle and Blundell certainly won't get another chance for a title, Herbert just might in '95, Alesi is a clear favourite for '96 and of course Berger is a double champion already.

And it totally slipped my mind that Barrichello could still influence this in future years.....I was thinking the earliest year you had to worry about changing was 2002 when Webber started! If in the unlikely even Barrichello does get a WCD before he retires, it would mean Irvine wins his first ever race!

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