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by **JeremyMcClean** » 16 Jul 2012, 05:19

Do we have a Fastest Lap Trophy?

If not, I propose the Giovanni Lavaggi Trophy or simply the Lavaggi Trophy to remedy this. This will simply go to the driver who has the most fastest laps. I already have a list of tiebreakers but I can't seem to find it...

by **AndreaModa** » 16 Jul 2012, 06:45

JeremyMcClean wrote:Do we have a Fastest Lap Trophy?

If not, I propose the Giovanni Lavaggi Trophy or simply the Lavaggi Trophy to remedy this. This will simply go to the driver who has the most fastest laps. I already have a list of tiebreakers but I can't seem to find it...

If that's fastest laps overall, then the record is currently held by Mark Dagnall with 10. But I think you mean each season, in which case...I don't have an answer for you! No-one's worked out season-bests for individual drivers as of yet!

by **JeremyMcClean** » 16 Jul 2012, 07:24

AndreaModa wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:Do we have a Fastest Lap Trophy?

If not, I propose the Giovanni Lavaggi Trophy or simply the Lavaggi Trophy to remedy this. This will simply go to the driver who has the most fastest laps. I already have a list of tiebreakers but I can't seem to find it...

If that's fastest laps overall, then the record is currently held by Mark Dagnall with 10. But I think you mean each season, in which case...I don't have an answer for you! No-one's worked out season-bests for individual drivers as of yet!

In each season. I'll be the first then!

Website · by **Wizzie** » 16 Jul 2012, 10:23

AndreaModa wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:Do we have a Fastest Lap Trophy?

If not, I propose the Giovanni Lavaggi Trophy or simply the Lavaggi Trophy to remedy this. This will simply go to the driver who has the most fastest laps. I already have a list of tiebreakers but I can't seem to find it...

If that's fastest laps overall, then the record is currently held by Mark Dagnall with 10. But I think you mean each season, in which case...I don't have an answer for you! No-one's worked out season-bests for individual drivers as of yet!

I think Nicolas has the most from last year but beyond that point, it's anyone's guess. :lol:

by **the Masked Lapwing** » 16 Jul 2012, 10:26

I've been doing some testing comparing the F1RWRS cars to the F2RWRS and F3RWRS cars, and Wizzie's right - the F2RWRS are about two seconds a lap faster around Phillip Island than the F1RWRS cars (well, by that car I mean the HRT 004).

I think someone needs to decrease their power of those things :lol:

Website · by **Wizzie** » 16 Jul 2012, 10:27

the Masked Lapwing wrote:I've been doing some testing comparing the F1RWRS cars to the F2RWRS and F3RWRS cars, and Wizzie's right - the F2RWRS are about two seconds a lap faster around Phillip Island than the F1RWRS cars (well, by that car I mean the HRT 004).

I think someone needs to decrease their power of those things

Nah, I say leave it as it is, only for the sheer rejectfulness of having feeder series cars faster than the main game :lol:

by **JeremyMcClean** » 16 Jul 2012, 12:27

Wizzie wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:I've been doing some testing comparing the F1RWRS cars to the F2RWRS and F3RWRS cars, and Wizzie's right - the F2RWRS are about two seconds a lap faster around Phillip Island than the F1RWRS cars (well, by that car I mean the HRT 004).

I think someone needs to decrease their power of those things

Nah, I say leave it as it is, only for the sheer rejectfulness of having feeder series cars faster than the main game

I have a good idea to remedy this problem: Make the F2RWRS cars less reliable. That way, the F1RWRS cars can have more prestige, and the races there will get more interesting as well. Also, it will make the F1RWRS cars better by comparison, because they can have the chance of finishing a race!

Website · by **Wizzie** » 16 Jul 2012, 12:41

JeremyMcClean wrote:...and the races there will get more interesting as well.

What? The races aren't good enough for you as it is? I'm hurt by that

by **JeremyMcClean** » 16 Jul 2012, 23:28

Wizzie wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:...and the races there will get more interesting as well.

What? The races aren't good enough for you as it is? I'm hurt by that

The key word is more, Wizzie

Everything needs improvement, and besides, the F2RWRS cars could survive a bomb blast!

by **eurobrun** » 17 Jul 2012, 08:27

JeremyMcClean wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:...and the races there will get more interesting as well.

What? The races aren't good enough for you as it is? I'm hurt by that

The key word is more, Wizzie Everything needs improvement, and besides, the F2RWRS cars could survive a bomb blast!

Aurodynamics GP is against reducing the reliability of F2RWRS cars.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 17 Jul 2012, 16:35

JeremyMcClean wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:...and the races there will get more interesting as well.

What? The races aren't good enough for you as it is? I'm hurt by that

The key word is more, Wizzie Everything needs improvement, and besides, the F2RWRS cars could survive a bomb blast!

Well, they HAVE to survive a bomb blast considering how much chaos Tanner Jason usually creates :lol:

by **Stramala** » 17 Jul 2012, 22:22

Wizzie wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:
Wizzie wrote:What? The races aren't good enough for you as it is? I'm hurt by that

The key word is more, Wizzie Everything needs improvement, and besides, the F2RWRS cars could survive a bomb blast!

Well, they HAVE to survive a bomb blast considering how much chaos Tanner Jason and Joel Melrose usually create

Fixed (you're welcome)

Lancia is opposed to any change to the reliability levels in F2RWRS.

by **Klon** » 17 Jul 2012, 22:24

Joel Melrose isn't driving in F2RWRS so your fix is rather inadequate. This bodes well for Scuderia Alitalia's F2RWRS effort if their boss can't even remember who drives in the series or not.

by **Stramala** » 17 Jul 2012, 22:33

Klon wrote:Joel Melrose isn't driving in F2RWRS so your fix is rather inadequate. This bodes well for Scuderia Alitalia's F2RWRS effort if their boss can't even remember who drives in the series or not.

Which series did he do a guest entry for after F3RWRS then?!

And why would I pay attention to who our rivals are? They are all behind us so who cares what their names are.

by **Klon** » 17 Jul 2012, 22:36

kostas22 wrote:
Klon wrote:Joel Melrose isn't driving in F2RWRS so your fix is rather inadequate. This bodes well for Scuderia Alitalia's F2RWRS effort if their boss can't even remember who drives in the series or not.

Which series did he do a guest entry for after F3RWRS then?!

Pah. Guest entries aren't worth jack. :lol:

Nice back-paddling I do here

Website · by **Wizzie** » 18 Jul 2012, 08:06

kostas22 wrote:
Klon wrote:Joel Melrose isn't driving in F2RWRS so your fix is rather inadequate. This bodes well for Scuderia Alitalia's F2RWRS effort if their boss can't even remember who drives in the series or not.

Which series did he do a guest entry for after F3RWRS then?!

And why would I pay attention to who our rivals are? They are all behind us so who cares what their names are.

Speaking of which, I actually did the Oulton Park test and one of your guys ended up on top. Thing was, it wasn't Kremnicky setting the pace.

You should put that Dutchman on a race-by-race contract because he takes contract driving to a whole new level :lol:

by **eurobrun** » 18 Jul 2012, 08:19

Wizzie wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
Klon wrote:Joel Melrose isn't driving in F2RWRS so your fix is rather inadequate. This bodes well for Scuderia Alitalia's F2RWRS effort if their boss can't even remember who drives in the series or not.

Which series did he do a guest entry for after F3RWRS then?!

And why would I pay attention to who our rivals are? They are all behind us so who cares what their names are.

Speaking of which, I actually did the Oulton Park test and one of your guys ended up on top. Thing was, it wasn't Kremnicky setting the pace.

You should put that Dutchman on a race-by-race contract because he takes contract driving to a whole new level

Where did Micko Glotch come.

by **Stramala** » 18 Jul 2012, 10:05

Wizzie wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
Klon wrote:Joel Melrose isn't driving in F2RWRS so your fix is rather inadequate. This bodes well for Scuderia Alitalia's F2RWRS effort if their boss can't even remember who drives in the series or not.

Which series did he do a guest entry for after F3RWRS then?!

And why would I pay attention to who our rivals are? They are all behind us so who cares what their names are.

Speaking of which, I actually did the Oulton Park test and one of your guys ended up on top. Thing was, it wasn't Kremnicky setting the pace.

You should put that Dutchman on a race-by-race contract because he takes contract driving to a whole new level

Well, um, that puts me in quite a strange situation. I thought Ragnar Hannesson would be faster, and now van Nieuwenhuijzen goes fastest in the pre-season test...this will be a tough choice to make

Website · by **Wizzie** » 18 Jul 2012, 11:01

kostas22 wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Which series did he do a guest entry for after F3RWRS then?!

And why would I pay attention to who our rivals are? They are all behind us so who cares what their names are.

Speaking of which, I actually did the Oulton Park test and one of your guys ended up on top. Thing was, it wasn't Kremnicky setting the pace.

You should put that Dutchman on a race-by-race contract because he takes contract driving to a whole new level

Well, um, that puts me in quite a strange situation. I thought Ragnar Hannesson would be faster, and now van Nieuwenhuijzen goes fastest in the pre-season test...this will be a tough choice to make

Since the F2RWRS doesn't have the same restrictions on driver changes as the F1RWRS, you're free to cycle through them as many times as you want throughout the year.

eurobrun wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Which series did he do a guest entry for after F3RWRS then?!

And why would I pay attention to who our rivals are? They are all behind us so who cares what their names are.

Speaking of which, I actually did the Oulton Park test and one of your guys ended up on top. Thing was, it wasn't Kremnicky setting the pace.

You should put that Dutchman on a race-by-race contract because he takes contract driving to a whole new level

Where did Micko Glotch come.

I'll post the full results in a minute but Glotch was 26th. To be fair though, the top 27 were covered by 1.6 seconds which shows just how close it's going to be this year.

by **Aerond** » 23 Jul 2012, 08:23

Changes in Pay Driver rules:

I would like to propose changes to the Pay Driver rules. As it would affect teams who have already planned the 2015 season through the driver line up; I propose this for the 2016 season:

-- No standard Credit Cap on Credits coming from Pay Drivers.

-- Teams are given at the start of the season a Pay Driver grade (from A (top) to E (lowest)). Teams with the lowest grade get less Pay Driver money per race but have a bigger Pay Driver Cap, Teams with the highest grade get more money per race but the cap is way lower. (the equivalent to how much a team would ask from a Pay Driver to get a seat in real life). The grade is decided by the commission at the start of the season depending on the team´s merits during last season or we could consider:

Grade A teams: Teams which got 3 or more race wins or got at least 50 points.

Grade B teams: Teams which got one or two race wins, or at least 30 points.

Grade C teams: Teams which got at least 10 points.

Grade D teams: Teams which got points or qualified at least for 20 race starts throughout the season.

Grade E teams: Teams which barely qualified or not qualified at all for a race.

PAYMENTS (Credits per race // Cap per season)

Grade A: 50 // 250

Grade B: 40 // 320

Grade C: 30 // 400

Grade D: 20 // 500

Grade E: 10 // No Limit.

-- Another change I would like to propose is that Pay Driver credits come in after each race.

If we were to introduce this system for the 2015 (which we aren´t; unless everybody agrees we should introduce this inmediately), teams would be classified like this:

Grade A: DGNgineering, MRT, Sunshine, Gillet

Grade B: Jones, Kamaha, Foxdale

Grade C: Arrowtech,

Grade D: HRT, Aeroracing, Prospec, Boxtel

Grade E: Alitalia, Dofasco, Kingfisher Racing, Mecha, Tropico, Shonan, Simpson, Autodynamics

by **Warren Hughes** » 23 Jul 2012, 08:33

Under this proposal, what would be the point of running a pay-driver if you're a top team when after 5 races he effectively stops paying?

by **Aerond** » 23 Jul 2012, 08:39

Warren Hughes wrote:Under this proposal, what would be the point of running a pay-driver if you're a top team when after 5 races he effectively stops paying?

None other than the performance of said pay driver.

by **Stramala** » 23 Jul 2012, 08:49

This would be very convenient for a team like DGNgineering. Run a pay driver for five races, collect the 250 credits, then spend the rest of the season with a proven second driver to wrap up the constructors along with the drivers championship with the lead driver. No, no and no. Scuderia Alitalia is categorically against this proposal.

by **eurobrun** » 23 Jul 2012, 08:49

I like the idea, but not the numbers assoaciated with it.

by **Aerond** » 23 Jul 2012, 08:52

eurobrun wrote:I like the idea, but not the numbers assoaciated with it.

Just propose your numbers then.

by **eurobrun** » 23 Jul 2012, 08:54

Aerond wrote:
eurobrun wrote:I like the idea, but not the numbers assoaciated with it.

Just propose your numbers then.

I will after school today.

by **Aerond** » 23 Jul 2012, 08:55

kostas22 wrote:This would be very convenient for a team like DGNgineering. Run a pay driver for five races, collect the 250 credits, then spend the rest of the season with a proven second driver to wrap up the constructors along with the drivers championship with the lead driver. No, no and no. Scuderia Alitalia is categorically against this proposal.

What I´m not allowing again is any team escape with 640 credits just for ending 17th and 18th in Pre-Qualifying. That is not very logical.

by **Stramala** » 23 Jul 2012, 09:00

Aerond wrote:
kostas22 wrote:This would be very convenient for a team like DGNgineering. Run a pay driver for five races, collect the 250 credits, then spend the rest of the season with a proven second driver to wrap up the constructors along with the drivers championship with the lead driver. No, no and no. Scuderia Alitalia is categorically against this proposal.

What I´m not allowing again is any team escape with 640 credits just for ending 17th and 18th in Pre-Qualifying. That is not very logical.

It solves one problem and creates another. It isn't the answer. I don't have the answer right now because I've got to leave and get up for work at 6:30am, but when I have some more time to think about it, I'll try to come up with a better solution. But this certainly isn't it.

by **Aerond** » 23 Jul 2012, 09:01

kostas22 wrote:
Aerond wrote:
kostas22 wrote:This would be very convenient for a team like DGNgineering. Run a pay driver for five races, collect the 250 credits, then spend the rest of the season with a proven second driver to wrap up the constructors along with the drivers championship with the lead driver. No, no and no. Scuderia Alitalia is categorically against this proposal.

What I´m not allowing again is any team escape with 640 credits just for ending 17th and 18th in Pre-Qualifying. That is not very logical.

It solves one problem and creates another. It isn't the answer. I don't have the answer right now because I've got to leave and get up for work at 6:30am, but when I have some more time to think about it, I'll try to come up with a better solution. But this certainly isn't it.

That´s why it´s a proposal, and that´s the reason I´ve brought it here to discuss.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 23 Jul 2012, 09:35

MRT believes there is some potential in the proposal but believe that the numbers associated with it are fundamentally flawed.

by **the Masked Lapwing** » 23 Jul 2012, 14:44

HRT is against the new pay driver proposal, as we see nothing wrong with the current system.

by **Shizuka** » 23 Jul 2012, 15:10

No, I don't agree with that (the current one is alright, I think). If this system really wants to move forward, I suppose the credits should look like this:

30 / 180
25 / 200
20 / 240
15 / 300
10 / -

This way there aren't many credits given to the teams, so this will make think the team owners about actually hiring a pay driver in the long run.

by **FMecha** » 23 Jul 2012, 17:59

Mecha Grand Prix COMPLETELY OPPOSES the pay-driver propsal. Furthermore, we see a flagrant bias of favoring top teams, as a representative from Scuderia Alitalia says. :evil:

(Aerond's propsal, at least; we are neutral on Shizuka's version)
Those are Dominic Hermann's opinions, but I have plot to make Hermann an arrogant person so I can sack him from the team. Effendi also opined the same, at least for this time.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 23 Jul 2012, 18:22

Shizuka wrote:No, I don't agree with that (the current one is alright, I think). If this system really wants to move forward, I suppose the credits should look like this:

30 / 180
25 / 200
20 / 240
15 / 300
10 / -

This way there aren't many credits given to the teams, so this will make think the team owners about actually hiring a pay driver in the long run.

Now THIS is a proposal MRT can work with. If no other more suitable alternatives are found, MRT will back this solution.

by **AdrianSutil** » 23 Jul 2012, 19:39

Yeah, swap the credits per race around and it will be beneficial to everyone. The smaller, crapper teams get a massive boost of credits to help with the car after only a few rounds whilst the bigger teams, who clearly have a superior car anyway, receive a small amount over the course of the whole season. Big boosts for the smaller teams will hopefully allow them to catch up.

by **SuperAguri** » 23 Jul 2012, 22:51

I personally dont think the Grade A top teams should be allowed to run a pay driver as Red Bull and Mclaren dont ask Webber and Hamilton to chip in with running costs. Most of the time the Grade A teams have done very well (hello DGN...).

One problem with Aerond proposal which has been pointed out is that a Grade A team can run a pay driver for 5 races, get the credits and then hire a better driver, where as a Grade D or E team would need to run at least past the mid season to get anywhere near the credits.

One option could be is that the higher grade you are the more races your driver will have to do to get the credits. Ie Grade A pay drivers can only get 250 credits per season, so why not make the drivers race for 3 races before he can get the 50 credits (250/50=5, 16/5=3.2). This would stop top teams running pay drivers for quick cash when the Grade D and E teams struggling to qualify or finish have to race two no hopers for most of the season to get the same amount.

Another could be to give periods in which the graded teams can spend money. Ie Grade A can only spend it once in the season, Grade B can spent it twice, Grade C, four times, Grade D eight times and Grade E, when they want.

Another option would be to have salaries or pay driver amounts for all the drivers to make the game more skillful.

by **the Masked Lapwing** » 23 Jul 2012, 22:57

SuperAguri wrote:Another option would be to have salaries or pay driver amounts for all the drivers to make the game more skillful.

Something that you have already proved doesn't work.

by **Aerond** » 24 Jul 2012, 04:09

SuperAguri wrote:
One option could be is that the higher grade you are the more races your driver will have to do to get the credits. Ie Grade A pay drivers can only get 250 credits per season, so why not make the drivers race for 3 races before he can get the 50 credits (250/50=5, 16/5=3.2). This would stop top teams running pay drivers for quick cash when the Grade D and E teams struggling to qualify or finish have to race two no hopers for most of the season to get the same amount.

That´s not a bad option at all. Can you develop this grade by grade (we´ll work out the number of credits and total number of credits later)

by **Phoenix** » 24 Jul 2012, 04:43

Well, well, well... I was confortable with Aerond's initial proposal, but considering the fact I run a pay driver in the form of The Stig, I don't like Shizuka's proposal of reducing the money paid for each race, obviously. However, I quite like SuperAguri's suggestion.

So, what I want to say is, I'll accept Shizuka's proposal if SuperAguri's proposal of making top teams have to run a pay driver for longer to get the credits is implemented. Since my team is a Grade D team, how many races would The Stig need to race for us to get each payment?

Website · by **Wizzie** » 24 Jul 2012, 07:55

SuperAguri wrote:I personally dont think the Grade A top teams should be allowed to run a pay driver as Red Bull and Mclaren dont ask Webber and Hamilton to chip in with running costs. Most of the time the Grade A teams have done very well (hello DGN...).

One problem with Aerond proposal which has been pointed out is that a Grade A team can run a pay driver for 5 races, get the credits and then hire a better driver, where as a Grade D or E team would need to run at least past the mid season to get anywhere near the credits.

One option could be is that the higher grade you are the more races your driver will have to do to get the credits. Ie Grade A pay drivers can only get 250 credits per season, so why not make the drivers race for 3 races before he can get the 50 credits (250/50=5, 16/5=3.2). This would stop top teams running pay drivers for quick cash when the Grade D and E teams struggling to qualify or finish have to race two no hopers for most of the season to get the same amount.

Another could be to give periods in which the graded teams can spend money. Ie Grade A can only spend it once in the season, Grade B can spent it twice, Grade C, four times, Grade D eight times and Grade E, when they want.

Another option would be to have salaries or pay driver amounts for all the drivers to make the game more skillful.

MRT personally believes that your proposal is needlessly complicated and we categorically reject it on those grounds. We still believe that Shizuka's proposal is the best way to go about it if the change is absolutely necessary.

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