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by **Pacifics only fan** » 30 Sep 2009, 06:34

Oriol Servia
Sakon Yamamoto

by **Marty** » 30 Sep 2009, 07:41

Oriol Servia? Just read he only tested a Prost once.
Max Biaggi would be a forgettable F1 driver too, then!
He tested a Midland F1... I must be the only man in Earth that remembers! :lol:

by **Pacifics only fan** » 30 Sep 2009, 09:03

*Bangs head on desk* Sorry, I mean Christiano Da Matta.

EDIT: I see Kostas has already mentioned him.

by **Waris** » 01 Oct 2009, 02:34

Marty wrote:Oriol Servia? Just read he only tested a Prost once.
Max Biaggi would be a forgettable F1 driver too, then!
He tested a Midland F1... I must be the only man in Earth that remembers!

Hey, I remember that too... Thomas Biagi did too, so I often mixed them up at the time.

by **Yannick** » 01 Oct 2009, 07:23

When I think of anonymous drivers, somehow there must have been somebody else besides touring car great Johnny Cecotto who also drove the Ensigns or Theodores in the early 80s. I just can't remember who exactly it was.

I think this best fits the description of most forgettable driver.

by **tristan1117** » 01 Oct 2009, 09:15

Has anyone mentioned Danny Sullivan? Drove in 1983 for Tyrell. I watched a Youtube video once of him having a fireball at the back of his car and spinning while his engine exploded.

by **Marty** » 01 Oct 2009, 23:45

Just me or you have 50% more chances to be on this list if you've raced for Toyota? Da Matta, McNish, Zonta...

Toyota's definitely the most forgettable team of this decade.

by **Frentzen127** » 02 Oct 2009, 01:44

Yannick wrote:When I think of anonymous drivers, somehow there must have been somebody else besides touring car great Johnny Cecotto who also drove the Ensigns or Theodores in the early 80s. I just can't remember who exactly it was.

I think this best fits the description of most forgettable driver.

Guerrero?
He didn't do much in F1 (He tested for McLaren once but I can't seem to find pictures of that) but he is (in)famous in the US, he being a very, very lucky git in the Indy 500.

by **Stramala** » 02 Oct 2009, 03:34

Karl Wendlinger. Didn't achieve much in F1. Crashed a Sauber once.

by **thehemogoblin** » 02 Oct 2009, 03:42

Marty wrote:Just me or you have 50% more chances to be on this list if you've raced for Toyota? Da Matta, McNish, Zonta...

Toyota's definitely the most forgettable team of this decade.

Jaguar.

by **Stramala** » 02 Oct 2009, 03:51

thehemogoblin wrote:
Marty wrote:Just me or you have 50% more chances to be on this list if you've raced for Toyota? Da Matta, McNish, Zonta...

Toyota's definitely the most forgettable team of this decade.

Jaguar.

Yeah. Only 2 podiums. Both by Irvine. Pathetic for a factory squad.

by **thehemogoblin** » 02 Oct 2009, 03:54

2001 Monaco, 2002 Italy... that's it in terms of podiums.

by **shinji** » 02 Oct 2009, 03:57

thehemogoblin wrote:2001 Monaco, 2002 Italy... that's it in terms of podiums.

And after that just a raft of disappointment.

(just had to use that picture somehow)

by **Pacifics only fan** » 02 Oct 2009, 04:12

Narain Khartikeyan

Edit: Shinji, that photo and your signature look SO wrong next to each other. :lol:

by **Yannick** » 02 Oct 2009, 08:33

One of the big problems of Jaguar was its revolving door of team principals. Didn't they have a different one in each of their 5 seasons? You cannot build a strong organisation if the head is a different one any time or the other.
Jordan/Midland/Spyker/Force 1ndia learnt from that and kept on board Kolles at all times, but luckily, VJ Mallya realized that Kolles was just good at being boss of a backmarker.

When Niki Lauda was team principal with Jaguar, he kept his race analyst's job at German TV station RTL when really he should have stayed committed to his team.
One day, there should be a Reject Centrale article on Jaguar. And the best Jaguar car was the last one that they developed under team principal Tony Purnell, later of FIA fame, a car which became known as the RB1 while dressed in blue.

by **Alianora La Canta** » 02 Oct 2009, 18:15

Max Biaggi would be a forgettable F1 driver too, then!
He tested a Midland F1... I must be the only man in Earth that remembers! {Marty - 14 posts ago}

I remember it too - he had quite the laugh at Valentino Rossi because Max, unlike Valentino, kept his car on the island on his first time testing. The difference is that Max wasn't invited back...

by **Alianora La Canta** » 02 Oct 2009, 18:21

One of the big problems of Jaguar was its revolving door of team principals. Didn't they have a different one in each of their 5 seasons? You cannot build a strong organisation if the head is a different one any time or the other. {Yannick - 2 posts ago}

Near enough:

Wolfgang Reitzle (Jan 2000-Oct 2000)
Bobby Rahal (Oct 2000-Sep 2001)
Niki Lauda (Oct 2001-Nov 2002)
Tony Purnell (Dec 2002-Dec 2004, by which point the team was Red Bull)

And you're completely right; constant change is bad for stability and a team must be stable to grow and thrive.

by **Waris** » 06 Oct 2009, 08:17

Alianora La Canta wrote:One of the big problems of Jaguar was its revolving door of team principals. Didn't they have a different one in each of their 5 seasons? You cannot build a strong organisation if the head is a different one any time or the other. {Yannick - 2 posts ago}

Near enough:

Wolfgang Reitzle (Jan 2000-Oct 2000)
Bobby Rahal (Oct 2000-Sep 2001)
Niki Lauda (Oct 2001-Nov 2002)
Tony Purnell (Dec 2002-Dec 2004, by which point the team was Red Bull)

And you're completely right; constant change is bad for stability and a team must be stable to grow and thrive.

Aren't you forgetting David Pitchforth? He, by the way, also was totally forgettable.

Also, has anyone mentioned Geoff Lees, Kevin Cogan, Rupert Keegan? Those always strike me as names that, while not totally forgettable, I just know they were there, and that's pretty much all I remember about them.

by **Alianora La Canta** » 06 Oct 2009, 10:52

I remembered David Pitchforth, but he was never the team principal. A very capable deputy manager-cum-factory manager, though.

by **Waris** » 06 Oct 2009, 11:35

Alianora La Canta wrote:I remembered David Pitchforth, but he was never the team principal. A very capable deputy manager-cum-factory manager, though.

Oh, I had a 2004 season guide that said he was the team principal. =[ If I recall correctly, he was a rather bland character, and so was Tony Purnell, I suppose.

by **Python** » 08 Oct 2009, 08:35

Waris wrote:Also, has anyone mentioned Geoff Lees, Kevin Cogan, Rupert Keegan? Those always strike me as names that, while not totally forgettable, I just know they were there, and that's pretty much all I remember about them.

I mentioned Kevin Cogan in a post of mine some pages back. I also included some youtube links (not sure if they work anymore of not) of what Kevin Cogan (or Coogan as AJ Foyt called him) is mostly known for and remembered for.

Edit: It's page 4 if you are curious.

by **Waris** » 16 Oct 2009, 13:15

Python wrote:
Waris wrote:Also, has anyone mentioned Geoff Lees, Kevin Cogan, Rupert Keegan? Those always strike me as names that, while not totally forgettable, I just know they were there, and that's pretty much all I remember about them.

I mentioned Kevin Cogan in a post of mine some pages back. I also included some youtube links (not sure if they work anymore of not) of what Kevin Cogan (or Coogan as AJ Foyt called him) is mostly known for and remembered for.

Edit: It's page 4 if you are curious.

Whoa, that 1989 crash was worse, but the 1982 one was more interesting. It happened before the start! Cogan himself didn't understand at all what happened, it seems. A.J. was pretty outraged.
On a side note, I love the cheesy presentation from the '80s, particularly when that guy reads the starting grid. As he gets to the back of the grid, the things he says about drivers (they all look funny, and most of them aren't remembered by anyone, though I smiled when I saw Héctor Rebaque) get more and more trivial, the high (low) point being "Chet Fillip is the first bearded driver here in 46 years". I really lol'd when he said that.

by **Python** » 18 Oct 2009, 06:22

Waris wrote:
Python wrote:
Waris wrote:Also, has anyone mentioned Geoff Lees, Kevin Cogan, Rupert Keegan? Those always strike me as names that, while not totally forgettable, I just know they were there, and that's pretty much all I remember about them.

I mentioned Kevin Cogan in a post of mine some pages back. I also included some youtube links (not sure if they work anymore of not) of what Kevin Cogan (or Coogan as AJ Foyt called him) is mostly known for and remembered for.

Edit: It's page 4 if you are curious.

Whoa, that 1989 crash was worse, but the 1982 one was more interesting. It happened before the start! Cogan himself didn't understand at all what happened, it seems. A.J. was pretty outraged.
On a side note, I love the cheesy presentation from the '80s, particularly when that guy reads the starting grid. As he gets to the back of the grid, the things he says about drivers (they all look funny, and most of them aren't remembered by anyone, though I smiled when I saw Héctor Rebaque) get more and more trivial, the high (low) point being "Chet Fillip is the first bearded driver here in 46 years". I really lol'd when he said that.

1989 crash was pretty bad, but what made it worse was that he did all by himself to crash, nobody hit him to cause it. The 822 is the one most people remember because of what happened.

by **Collieafc** » 24 Oct 2009, 11:09

Andrea Montermini. Oh wait, he drove for all of the big 3 reject teams... (that and that massive crash in Spain 94)

Nicola Larini. Vitantonio Liuzzi as well (yes I know hes back, but still...)

by **Mister Fungus** » 24 Oct 2009, 11:31

Gianmaria Bruni, I mean I usually remember Minardi's drivers but I totally forgot about this guy only to accidently stumble upon him today.

by **Stramala** » 25 Oct 2009, 03:30

Ha! I just thought of a brilliant one, while thinking about the Birmingham SuperPrix.

Luis Pérez-Sala, who drove for Minardi in '88 and '89. He is of course an eligible reject, his best finish is 6th at Silverstone '89.
Apart from that, did pretty much sod-all else in terms of results.

Edit: This has reminded me of another fact. Luca Badoer won a Formula One race!
Although, it was only the Formula One Indoor Trophy, which Pérez-Sala won twice in its first two years. Its really quite a reject race, because Minardi won half of all the races! Benetton (Fisi), Lotus (Herbert), Jordan (Barrichello) and even Footwork (Tarquini) won the other 4 races. Morbidelli was the only other winner, in a Minardi of course.

by **Phoenix** » 25 Oct 2009, 07:14

Some more suggestions (sorry if by chance anyone is already mentioned, there are too many pages to read):
-Juan Jover (he entered the 1951 Spanish GP, but withdrew before starting)
-Ian Scheckter (I think he was related to Jody Scheckter; he was a privateer enter)
-Christian Klien
-Antonio Pizzonia

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by **Jordan** » 28 Oct 2009, 09:11

Ralph Firman

by **Waris** » 11 Nov 2009, 10:38

Jordan wrote:Ralph Firman

He would have been entirely forgettable, had he not been absent during two races in which we saw the glorious debut of... indeed!!

by **WeirdKerr** » 12 Nov 2009, 05:06

HWSBNM used the force to ensure his debut at the track and a little bit of this power ruptured a rift in time and made a spring fly off a car this year......

by **lostpin** » 13 Nov 2009, 10:48

There was one forgettable driver that I could almost remember, but unfortunately, I forgot his name...

by **Waris** » 14 Nov 2009, 07:36

lostpin wrote:There was one forgettable driver that I could almost remember, but unfortunately, I forgot his name...

Maybe it was Zsolt Ba

by **Phoenix** » 14 Nov 2009, 07:40

Waris wrote:
lostpin wrote:There was one forgettable driver that I could almost remember, but unfortunately, I forgot his name...

Maybe it was Zsolt Ba

..umgartn...

by **Stramala** » 14 Nov 2009, 07:55

...er.

*ZAP*

Why did I get punished for saying it when I only used two letters?

by **Phoenix** » 14 Nov 2009, 09:35

kostas22 wrote:...er.

*ZAP*

Why did I get punished for saying it when I only used two letters?

It was part of my masterplan; someone would go, complete his name, and get hit in the head with a papaya.

by **watka** » 14 Nov 2009, 23:13

Sometines HWNSNBM punishes people for just using the letter "Z".

by **Stramala** » 14 Nov 2009, 23:37

Phoenix wrote:
kostas22 wrote:...er.

*ZAP*

Why did I get punished for saying it when I only used two letters?

It was part of my masterplan; someone would go, complete his name, and get hit in the head with a papaya.

Papaya? Where?

*THWACK*

Oh, that Papaya. :oops:

by **Phoenix** » 16 Nov 2009, 01:59

kostas22 wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
kostas22 wrote:...er.

*ZAP*

Why did I get punished for saying it when I only used two letters?

It was part of my masterplan; someone would go, complete his name, and get hit in the head with a papaya.

Papaya? Where?

*THWACK*

Oh, that Papaya.

Jiggling

Other suggestions to the list:
-Geoff Lees
-Hector Rebaque
-Mauro Baldi
-Nicolas Kiesa
-Johnny Dumfries

by **Stramala** » 16 Nov 2009, 03:54

Martin Donnelly. He was an F1 driver, right?

by **BlindCaveSalamander** » 16 Nov 2009, 06:18

kostas22 wrote:Martin Donnelly. He was an F1 driver, right?

I wouldn't call Martin Donnelly forgettable, myself, especially considering he was one of the most promising drivers of his time, and his horrific career-ending accident at Jerez.

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