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by **DanielPT** » 25 Sep 2011, 23:41

Now, that is surely a fine for Caterham...

Edit: A fine, not a penalty.

by **Row Man Gross-Gene** » 26 Sep 2011, 00:06

Hamilton and Schumacher bathplugged my predicament predictions.

by **Shizuka** » 26 Sep 2011, 00:13

If Force India can keep this pace up, they can cut the 22 points to finish ahead of Renault in P5.

by **Ferrim** » 26 Sep 2011, 00:30

Di Resta is one step closer to unrejectification!

by **AdrianSutil** » 26 Sep 2011, 01:49

Ferrim wrote:Di Resta is one step closer to unrejectification!

Which isn't bad in your first season of ultra-reliable Formula 1, starting the year in the 7th best car.

by **East Londoner** » 26 Sep 2011, 02:28

Massa ain't happy with Hamilton, and with good cause. You have to feel for him, as he must be the most unlucky driver on the grid for the last two years.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/09/25/furious-massa-hits-hamilton-crash/

by **Barbazza** » 26 Sep 2011, 02:38

My now usual media angle on the race, and the verdict - another fairly bad day at the office for the Beeb methinks.

I missed quali yesterday as I didn't get back from holiday until it had finished and didn't realise that their Sunday roundup now lasts about a minute and seemingly ignores pretty much everything in Q1 and Q2. Then we have the obligatory random nonsense we've now come to expect from EJ - when asked by Jake if Vettel can win the title today 'Yes, because he's been lucky'. No Eddie, lucky is when Fisichella wins the Brazilian GP in one of your cars because of the appearance of the red flag at the right time, not every single win Seb's had this year.

The race itself was reasonably covered by MB and DC though they did miss quite a few things, including the blatant holding up of Alonso by the Toro Rosso, allowing Webber to make his move. Yes, it was a good move, but he did get a bit of help there. Lee McKenzie did her usual one interview - is it too much to ask that we get a chat with the drivers lower down the order? I can't remember the last time we got someone outside the top 4 teams apart from Paul Di Resta.

Afterwards, well....this blatant worship of Lewis has to stop. The defence of his move by saying that Rosberg's on Perez was similar is absolute drivel I'm afraid - Rosberg tried to get out of it and only lightly touched the Sauber. Lewis did his usual mindless driving. And as for not taking the press conference - sorry, is that repeat of A Question of Sport *that* important?

I'm getting more and more annoyed with the fact that they've seemingly given up and if this is what we're going to get next year it's disgraceful that they blocked a potential bid by C4 who would IMO have made a decent fist at it. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised though given that their football coverage now also stinks (seemingly reduced at the moment to sticking a camera up N*il Warn*ck's backside and filming it if Football Focus is anything to go by)
I also can't believe that we *still* don't even have a rough idea of what we're getting in terms of coverage and which races are live and which are exclusive to Sky!

by **Mister Fungus** » 26 Sep 2011, 03:20

As a non-Brit I literally want to strangle anyone who complains about the BBC coverage.

by **Ed24** » 26 Sep 2011, 03:25

Here's the Hamilton/Massa confrontation in the paddock. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEUVZXR18_4

I can understand his anger, but perhaps he should've waited until they got into private to sort out his anger.

East Londoner wrote:Massa ain't happy with Hamilton, and with good cause. You have to feel for him, as he must be the most unlucky driver on the grid for the last two years.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/09/25/furious-massa-hits-hamilton-crash/

He's been unlucky longer than that, probably back to 2007 at least. 2008 was obviously unbelievably unlucky at Hungary and Singapore in partiuclar, also. Webber's career of bad luck finally turned around in 2010, maybe Massa's will one day as well, but it's not looking likely after his past three races.

by **Paul Hayes** » 26 Sep 2011, 03:58

I was optimistic early on, as I had thought - or hoped! - that with a decent start for a change, Button would be able to put up a bit more of a fight against Vettel this time. But alas, it was not to be. I think the Red Bull man always had it well under control, even with the brief burst of excitement near the end - there were never enough laps for Button to have caught him.

by **mario** » 26 Sep 2011, 04:08

Barbazza wrote:The race itself was reasonably covered by MB and DC though they did miss quite a few things, including the blatant holding up of Alonso by the Toro Rosso, allowing Webber to make his move. Yes, it was a good move, but he did get a bit of help there. Lee McKenzie did her usual one interview - is it too much to ask that we get a chat with the drivers lower down the order? I can't remember the last time we got someone outside the top 4 teams apart from Paul Di Resta.

Lee McKenzie did once do an piece for the BBC giving a shot of the paddock environment, and it is worth noting that the media only have a limited amount of access around the paddock area. If they want to interview a driver, it depends on that driver making himself available in a section of the paddock set aside for the media - if that driver decides to simply go straight to his motor home to debrief his engineers, then there is little that she can do about it. And given that she has to also fight with every other media corporation that has a representative, and that most of the headline figures are within the top teams, it's unsurprising that she might be directed to concentrate her efforts towards the top four teams.

ADx_Wales wrote:Racing Incident again, Watch Perez NOT get a penalty for that!
(I have the sound down, thought it was Kamui)

Quite the opposite - it's Schumacher who has been given a formal reprimand from the stewards following his clash with Perez
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94837

Ed24 wrote:Here's the Hamilton/Massa confrontation in the paddock. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEUVZXR18_4

I can understand his anger, but perhaps he should've waited until they got into private to sort out his anger.

He might well be frustrated, but yes, I agree that he shouldn't have done that because it doesn't reflect at all well on him - if you're really that angry about him, go to the stewards or the FIA, not the press box.

by **Barbazza** » 26 Sep 2011, 05:11

Mister Fungus wrote:As a non-Brit I literally want to strangle anyone who complains about the BBC coverage.

Charming! Look, I appreciate that coverage in other countries isn't great either, but we have been spoilt here by what the BBC used to do for sport (not just F1) and although I will defend it and the licence fee to the hilt unfortunately the recent poor management and kowtowing to anything the Daily Mail/Government/whoever say should go without fighting back has ruined a once great institution, and that is why I am angry. If they can't do it properly, and in my opinion they can't now, they should not have prevented C4 from having a go.

by **Cynon** » 26 Sep 2011, 06:51

Mister Fungus wrote:As a non-Brit I literally want to strangle anyone who complains about the BBC coverage.

The commentary is ridiculously biased. Eddie Jordan seriously annoys me.

by **nome66** » 26 Sep 2011, 06:59

watching a rebroadcast of the american coverage. i really like the synchronized driving by the mclaren and williams on lap 59!
disappointed that redbull has YET ANOTHER DOUBLE PODIUM.

by **James1978** » 26 Sep 2011, 22:54

In all honesty I'd have been a lot happier if the championship had just been decided now, rather than having to wait another 2 weeks to confirm it when all Vettel needs is a single 10th place from 5 races, and that's before you take Button winning all 5 races into account. It just doesn't feel right somehow.

by **Warren Hughes** » 27 Sep 2011, 04:39

Right, my take on Hamilton v Massa. I'm going against the grain and saying that it was a racing incident, and while Hamilton may have been responsible for the clash, he should not be blamed as such. I think, because it's Lewis Hamilton, it's been blown out of all proportion, and while it was unfortunate for Massa, I thought the drive through was a little harsh. As I saw it, Massa went a little deep into the corner, Hamilton turned in and then slightly locked a brake, which meant he clipped Massa's rear wheel with his front wing endplate. While Massa was obviously entirely the innocent party, Hamilton just made a little misjudgement in my view, and doesn't deserve to be so roundly castigated from all quarters.

by **AndreaModa** » 27 Sep 2011, 04:45

Warren Hughes wrote:Right, my take on Hamilton v Massa. I'm going against the grain and saying that it was a racing incident, and while Hamilton may have been responsible for the clash, he should not be blamed as such. I think, because it's Lewis Hamilton, it's been blown out of all proportion, and while it was unfortunate for Massa, I thought the drive through was a little harsh. As I saw it, Massa went a little deep into the corner, Hamilton turned in and then slightly locked a brake, which meant he clipped Massa's rear wheel with his front wing endplate. While Massa was obviously entirely the innocent party, Hamilton just made a little misjudgement in my view, and doesn't deserve to be so roundly castigated from all quarters.

Completely and 100% agreed.

by **James1978** » 27 Sep 2011, 04:49

+1.

And I think Massa behaved like a total prick afterwards too. You didn't see Hamilton go and approach Schumacher like that after Monza did you, even though he was obviously unhappy with him?

by **BlindCaveSalamander** » 27 Sep 2011, 04:50

Warren Hughes wrote:Right, my take on Hamilton v Massa. I'm going against the grain and saying that it was a racing incident, and while Hamilton may have been responsible for the clash, he should not be blamed as such. I think, because it's Lewis Hamilton, it's been blown out of all proportion, and while it was unfortunate for Massa, I thought the drive through was a little harsh. As I saw it, Massa went a little deep into the corner, Hamilton turned in and then slightly locked a brake, which meant he clipped Massa's rear wheel with his front wing endplate. While Massa was obviously entirely the innocent party, Hamilton just made a little misjudgement in my view, and doesn't deserve to be so roundly castigated from all quarters.

Could not agree more.

by **DonTirri** » 27 Sep 2011, 04:56

Hamilton's a stupid twat.
Vettel might aswell take the rest of the year off, That's another one in the bag finally!
Too bad Schuey didn't have a repeat of Silverstone 99
The frak happened to Renaults?
Kovy beat one Renault on merit? Man, they guy keeps on surprising us.
Poor, Poor Massa. Felipe, next time you see Lewis on your mirrors, just give way. You'll get the position back when the idiot inevitably bins it anyway.
Did I mention how much amusement I am getting from the fact that Hamilton is being a total idiot all the time? Back to GP2's for him.
Alonso was suitably anynomous. I like that.

by **James1978** » 27 Sep 2011, 05:03

DonTirri wrote:Hamilton's a stupid twat.
Vettel might aswell take the rest of the year off, That's another one in the bag finally!
Too bad Schuey didn't have a repeat of Silverstone 99
The frak happened to Renaults?
Kovy beat one Renault on merit? Man, they guy keeps on surprising us.
Poor, Poor Massa. Felipe, next time you see Lewis on your mirrors, just give way. You'll get the position back when the idiot inevitably bins it anyway.
Did I mention how much amusement I am getting from the fact that Hamilton is being a total idiot all the time? Back to GP2's for him.
Alonso was suitably anynomous. I like that.

Whatever your opinions and Hamilton and whatnot, you can't say you want someone to break their legs for heavens sake!!! :shock:

by **Ed24** » 27 Sep 2011, 05:17

Warren Hughes wrote:Right, my take on Hamilton v Massa. I'm going against the grain and saying that it was a racing incident, and while Hamilton may have been responsible for the clash, he should not be blamed as such. I think, because it's Lewis Hamilton, it's been blown out of all proportion, and while it was unfortunate for Massa, I thought the drive through was a little harsh. As I saw it, Massa went a little deep into the corner, Hamilton turned in and then slightly locked a brake, which meant he clipped Massa's rear wheel with his front wing endplate. While Massa was obviously entirely the innocent party, Hamilton just made a little misjudgement in my view, and doesn't deserve to be so roundly castigated from all quarters.

I think all drivers get the benefit of the doubt for making some mistakes every now and then, but you gradually lose that benefit once you're involved in more and more crashes.

Hamilton showed a lack of spatial awareness in Spa, and I think he did the same again here. He knew Massa was on cold tyres and the dirty line, and he probably knew that the Ferrari is very slow to warm up his tyres, so he should've left plenty of room. As it was, he was basically turning in only slightly wide of the apex based on the onboard video from him. He paid the price of turning in too early on Webber in 2010 and I thought he would've learnt his lesson. Also, considering the next turn was a right-hander there wasn't even anything to be gained by attempting the criss-cross in this instance.

by **mario** » 27 Sep 2011, 05:33

On another note, the BBC have put Kravitz's post race video from the paddock, and it does have a few interesting points.

Firstly, there was the news that Red Bull were having to reign Vettel in during his final stint; Vettel asked his team over the radio if he could push harder so he could set the fastest lap of the race (given his desire to take pole, fastest lap and victory at as many races as possible). The response from the pit wall was pretty blunt and unequivocal - "Don't even think of trying it" - which seems to be behind the speculation that something might have been up with the car in the final stint. There was also the news that, although the stewards took a dim view of Team Lotus releasing Heikki as Vettel came down the pit lane, that Vettel was already anticipating it - he'd been watching the traffic lights that Team Lotus have been using for their stops so he would know exactly when Heikki would be released, just in case he'd come out behind or alongside him (which was the case).

Also, peculiarly, it seems that Webber was in a pretty foul mood after the race - whilst Vettel was wandering around the paddock (interestingly, he went to FOM's offices in search of Bernie - who wasn't in as it happens - before returning to the team motorhome), and generally soaking up the atmosphere, Webber left the press conference and the paddock as soon as possible. It's a little odd that Webber was so annoyed - after all, 3rd is his joint best result here, and pretty good considering how he doesn't like this track - perhaps some of the comments from the media, and the Australian press in particular (where they were questioning his inability to win despite having what should be the equal fastest car on track), seem to have hit home particularly hard?

Further down the pit lane, though, it seems that McLaren are beginning to become frustrated with Hamilton's inconsistent form - at one point, Kravitz commented to one of his engineers that Hamilton was staging a decent recovery drive, to which that engineer replied "Yes - but he shouldn't have to do that in the first place". Up until now McLaren have been prepared to stand by Hamilton, and it has to be said that he did drive well in the latter stages of the race to recover some of the ground he had lost, but it does seem as if their patience is beginning to wear a little thin in some quarters of the team.

Ferrari, meanwhile, seem pretty frustrated due to their problems with the super soft tyres - overall, they did not seem to be able to eke as much time out of the tyres as others, nor were they able to make them last as long as their rivals (we saw how Alonso was forced to pit first for the harder tyres in the first stint) - they had thought that they'd be the ones with the best tyre management out of the top three teams, but that soon proved to be very wrong. It also seems that they were annoyed about Alonso losing out to Button in the WDC (Button is now a point ahead of Alonso), so all in all they had little to be happy about after the race.

James1978 wrote:
DonTirri wrote:Hamilton's a stupid twat.
Vettel might aswell take the rest of the year off, That's another one in the bag finally!
Too bad Schuey didn't have a repeat of Silverstone 99
The frak happened to Renaults?
Kovy beat one Renault on merit? Man, they guy keeps on surprising us.
Poor, Poor Massa. Felipe, next time you see Lewis on your mirrors, just give way. You'll get the position back when the idiot inevitably bins it anyway.
Did I mention how much amusement I am getting from the fact that Hamilton is being a total idiot all the time? Back to GP2's for him.
Alonso was suitably anynomous. I like that.

Whatever your opinions and Hamilton and whatnot, you can't say you want someone to break their legs for heavens sake!!!

I have to agree there that comment about Schumacher is in poor taste - do you really want to see somebody seriously injured to satisfy some petty, vindictive desire of yours?

by **Enforcer** » 27 Sep 2011, 08:24

DonTirri is a troll.

by **AdrianSutil** » 27 Sep 2011, 09:35

DonTirri wrote:Hamilton's a stupid twat.
Vettel might aswell take the rest of the year off, That's another one in the bag finally!
Too bad Schuey didn't have a repeat of Silverstone 99
The frak happened to Renaults?
Kovy beat one Renault on merit? Man, they guy keeps on surprising us.
Poor, Poor Massa. Felipe, next time you see Lewis on your mirrors, just give way. You'll get the position back when the idiot inevitably bins it anyway.
Did I mention how much amusement I am getting from the fact that Hamilton is being a total idiot all the time? Back to GP2's for him.
Alonso was suitably anynomous. I like that.

You sir, have just proved to me what I already thought of you. A moron.

Every day I meet morons who say "I only watch formula 1 for the crashes". Whilst this may not describe your take on the sport, your comments about Schumacher put you in the same group.
The first thing I though when Schumacher hit the wall was, "Oh god! Not Silverstone again!". I was really glad he got out ok, as I assume everyone else on this forum was too. If you have pointed opinions about someone, fair enough, but to wish on another awful crash like that is plain wrong.

by **F1000X** » 27 Sep 2011, 11:01

Enforcer wrote:DonTirri is a troll.

Thank you; and a good one at that I might add. Not to tell anyone how to do their job, but how is it that McDuck gets censured by the mods and this douche does not? His opinions go beyond the bounds of crudeness and poor taste and into the defamatory and inflammatory category.

by **Frentzen127** » 27 Sep 2011, 11:48

F1000X wrote:
Enforcer wrote:DonTirri is a troll.

Thank you; and a good one at that I might add. Not to tell anyone how to do their job, but how is it that McDuck gets censured by the mods and this douche does not? His opinions go beyond the bounds of crudeness and poor taste and into the defamatory and inflammatory category.

He has always had pointy opinions but he never expressed them like this. Or, well, sort of.
Let's just say that he changed since the Vettel hate wagon was first launched. From then on, he changed from somewhat-left field opinions into mindless rants.

by **DonTirri** » 27 Sep 2011, 13:49

Frentzen127 wrote:
F1000X wrote:
Enforcer wrote:DonTirri is a troll.

Thank you; and a good one at that I might add. Not to tell anyone how to do their job, but how is it that McDuck gets censured by the mods and this douche does not? His opinions go beyond the bounds of crudeness and poor taste and into the defamatory and inflammatory category.

He has always had pointy opinions but he never expressed them like this. Or, well, sort of.
Let's just say that he changed since the Vettel hate wagon was first launched. From then on, he changed from somewhat-left field opinions into mindless rants.

Sigh... How easy its to dismiss someone as a troll. Yeah, I admit that was a overboard, but having sat through the entire nineties and early 2000's hating Schueys guts, I can't help myself but to smile whenever shite goes wrong for him.

And youre right about that Vettel hate wagon thing. That's when I stopped caring about being subtle. After all, it only proved that these boards weren't really that different from any else. A near overnight coat-turning on someone seemingly because he started winning.

by **AdrianSutil** » 27 Sep 2011, 16:51

Why exactly do you hate Schumachers guts? And please no childish answer, I'm interested to know why.

by **East Londoner** » 27 Sep 2011, 17:16

AdrianSutil wrote:
DonTirri wrote:Hamilton's a stupid twat.
Vettel might aswell take the rest of the year off, That's another one in the bag finally!
Too bad Schuey didn't have a repeat of Silverstone 99
The frak happened to Renaults?
Kovy beat one Renault on merit? Man, they guy keeps on surprising us.
Poor, Poor Massa. Felipe, next time you see Lewis on your mirrors, just give way. You'll get the position back when the idiot inevitably bins it anyway.
Did I mention how much amusement I am getting from the fact that Hamilton is being a total idiot all the time? Back to GP2's for him.
Alonso was suitably anynomous. I like that.

You sir, have just proved to me what I already thought of you. A moron.

Every day I meet morons who say "I only watch formula 1 for the crashes". Whilst this may not describe your take on the sport, your comments about Schumacher put you in the same group.
The first thing I though when Schumacher hit the wall was, "Oh god! Not Silverstone again!". I was really glad he got out ok, as I assume everyone else on this forum was too. If you have pointed opinions about someone, fair enough, but to wish on another awful crash like that is plain wrong.

I can actually just remember watching Silverstone in 1999. It was so scary, because I thought he might have died. I was 4 at the time, mind you.

You don't put stuff about wishing ill on drivers on any forum, let alone this one. Sure, you might not like Schumi's or Hamilton's driving tactics, but personally, what have they done to you, apart from provide more entertainment for the casual viewer this year.

Methinks it would be a good idea to have this one locked, because this is heading into a full-on flame war, if it hasn't already.

by **DonTirri** » 27 Sep 2011, 17:58

AdrianSutil wrote:Why exactly do you hate Schumachers guts? And please no childish answer, I'm interested to know why.

Because he was and probably still is a smug snake who is not afraid to bend the rules beyond breaking point to get his way. First season I watched was 94. Even though I didn't know the whole story of Senna, even the 6 year old me recognized the severity of the blow that was his death. As well as the bravery and the guts of Hill for picking up the pieces and making a bold charge at the championship. Only to be robbed by Schumacher in the lowliest manner.

Then came the ever-dominant 95 and I began to dislike him even more. 96 I cheered as Schuey was nowhere to be found. 97 was the beginning of Häkkis-mania. Jerez made it even clearer that Schuey was both a damn sore loser and anything but a fair player.

In short, I hate Schueys guts because even though I recognize his tremendous driving ability, I don't think his tactics have any place in Formula One. The favoritism showed to him at the expense of the far more sympathetic Rubens at Ferrari only strenghtened that feeling. I was happy when he retired. I was incensed when he returned.

by **Shizuka** » 27 Sep 2011, 19:08

So McLaren starts to have enough of inconsistency with Hamilton? Will we FINALLY see him out of the team once?
But then who would be signed? Di Resta, given his connection with Mercedes?

Although I think it will NEVER happen.

by **Phoenix** » 27 Sep 2011, 21:24

OK, time for me to sort this out.

DonTirri, you've crossed the line. I'm sorry to tell you this, but it's the truth. Calling other drivers other than Vettel names was a tad distasteful, but not a big deal. Wishing someone would get injured in a crash is too crude to accept. I ask you to apologise for that. And the comments made here about Vettel were only made (or at least I hope they were) on a light-hearted comedic mood with no offence intended. And, if by chance or otherwise, my Vettel avatar happens to annoy you, just tell me and I'll remove it immediately.

Now, back on topic or I'll close it.

by **DonTirri** » 27 Sep 2011, 23:17

Phoenix wrote:DonTirri, you've crossed the line. I'm sorry to tell you this, but it's the truth. Calling other drivers other than Vettel names was a tad distasteful, but not a big deal. Wishing someone would get injured in a crash is too crude to accept. I ask you to apologise for that. And the comments made here about Vettel were only made (or at least I hope they were) on a light-hearted comedic mood with no offence intended. And, if by chance or otherwise, my Vettel avatar happens to annoy you, just tell me and I'll remove it immediately.

Fat Chance. I stand by what I said like I always do.

And it's not like I'm the only hardline "troll" (for the lack of a better term) around here, Cpt. Hammers crusade against Ferrari (and general doucheness) and ADx_Wales' "Formula one is crap. This race was crap because Vettel won" comments spring to mind.

No, the avatar doesn't offend me, I actually find it rather amusing so keep it for all I care.

Besides, aren't you the mod who laid indirect threats of banning my way when I criticized Alonso and his fans anyway?

I would go back on topic to keep this thread from being locked, but I already said my piece. And had people not picked up that singular line, I would've gone right back to lurking.

by **Phoenix** » 27 Sep 2011, 23:52

EDIT: I'll reopen the thread, but if there's still something awry going on I'll take more severe action. Please keep you all your pointed opinions at bay. Thank you. Now, back on topic.

by **mario** » 28 Sep 2011, 22:37

Back onto less contentious ground - Boullier is on record admitting that Renault's Front Exiting Exhaust has been badly hurting their performance due to major development difficulties and an inability to replicate the exhaust gas flow in a wind tunnel at low speed. Coupled to that, it seems that Renault are struggling to extract the full potential of their exhausts, often finding that the estimated downforce that the car is producing on track are some way short of their predictions based on wind tunnel data.
Overall, it sounds a little worrying for Renault's end of season performance when Boullier is effectively admitting that his car has very poor low speed traction, and that the team are effectively forced to continue using a system with increasingly limited development room because their attempts at a more conventional rearward exhaust configuration caused even more problems. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94887

by **Mister Fungus** » 28 Sep 2011, 23:16

I think they won't do as bad for the rest of the year, except in Abu Dhabi probably which has that boring start-stop section.

by **Ed24** » 28 Sep 2011, 23:17

mario wrote:He might well be frustrated, but yes, I agree that he shouldn't have done that because it doesn't reflect at all well on him - if you're really that angry about him, go to the stewards or the FIA, not the press box.

Well apparently he went to talk to Hamilton at Parc Ferme and Lewis just walked away, so I guess that made Felipe even more angry.

by **DanielPT** » 29 Sep 2011, 01:45

Ed24 wrote:
mario wrote:He might well be frustrated, but yes, I agree that he shouldn't have done that because it doesn't reflect at all well on him - if you're really that angry about him, go to the stewards or the FIA, not the press box.

Well apparently he went to talk to Hamilton at Parc Ferme and Lewis just walked away, so I guess that made Felipe even more angry.

Nevertheless that irony filled stunt in front of cameras was surely avoidable...

by **Ed24** » 29 Sep 2011, 03:02

DanielPT wrote:Nevertheless that irony filled stunt in front of cameras was surely avoidable...

Of course it was avoidable, but I guess he realised that was the last time he'd see Lewis before Suzuka and wanted to make his point clear. I thought it was quite funny actually as I don't mind a bit of good sarcasm, and he probably just conveyed what most fans and drivers were probably thinking.

It reminded me of Canada 2008 when Kimi tapped Lewis on the shoulder and pointed him towards the pit exit red light he'd just missed.

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