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Mexico GP should return...

Postby East Londoner » 04 Dec 2011, 08:23

...Says the son of the richest man in the world. I wonder if this is jumping on the Perez bandwagon?

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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby FullMetalJack » 04 Dec 2011, 08:48

East Londoner wrote:800 post mark reached


HUZZAH!

I wouldn't complain if it returned to Hermanos Rodriguez, imagine someone being stupid enough to use DRS through Peraltada.
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby AdrianSutil » 04 Dec 2011, 09:26

redbulljack14 wrote:
East Londoner wrote:800 post mark reached


HUZZAH!

I wouldn't complain if it returned to Hermanos Rodriguez, imagine someone being stupid enough to use DRS through Peraltada.

That'll obviously be Maldonado, as he likes to use it halfway through Parabolica :lol:

Seriously though, Hermanos Rodriguez would need a lot of work doing to it. The pit area and main grandstand are at least 20 years out of date. But the track layout is brilliant, so keep Tilkedrone away... New pits and grandstands, track resurface, sort the run-off areas out, should be all it needs...
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby Mister Fungus » 04 Dec 2011, 10:46

Whatever they do just PLEASE don't make it a street circuit.
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby JeremyMcClean » 04 Dec 2011, 13:08

Mister Fungus wrote:Whatever they do just PLEASE don't make it a street circuit.


Agreed. We all know what happened to Valencia...
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby nome66 » 04 Dec 2011, 14:26

don't know about Hermanos rodriguez. the elevation messed with loads of stuff.
this is as close as we get to what we want. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49oC9au-JNA
this is just on the exit of peridalta
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby mario » 04 Dec 2011, 19:12

AdrianSutil wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
East Londoner wrote:800 post mark reached


HUZZAH!

I wouldn't complain if it returned to Hermanos Rodriguez, imagine someone being stupid enough to use DRS through Peraltada.

That'll obviously be Maldonado, as he likes to use it halfway through Parabolica :lol:

Seriously though, Hermanos Rodriguez would need a lot of work doing to it. The pit area and main grandstand are at least 20 years out of date. But the track layout is brilliant, so keep Tilkedrone away... New pits and grandstands, track resurface, sort the run-off areas out, should be all it needs...

To be more precise, get Tilke to leave the track itself alone and only work on upgrading the facilities there - that would keep the teams and FOM satisfied, but leave the track reasonably intact.

nome66 wrote:don't know about Hermanos rodriguez. the elevation messed with loads of stuff.
this is as close as we get to what we want. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49oC9au-JNA
this is just on the exit of peridalta
Look at the chicane!

It would be an interesting situation for the teams if they were to race at Hermanos Rodriguez (which is certainly being considered) - the drop in air pressure around Interlagos, which is about 760m above sea level, has a noticeable effect on engine performance and the aerodynamics (the engines are thought to lose around 7% of their peak power). Hermanos Rodriguez, meanwhile, is nearly 2,300m above sea level - so, not only would the performance of the cars be much more limited, it's possible that the drivers could also start feeling the effects too.
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby nome66 » 05 Dec 2011, 02:34

so a race in the andes is out of the question?
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby Frentzen127 » 05 Dec 2011, 03:29

nome66 wrote:so a race in the andes is out of the question?


I support this notion. Apparently RB engineers were pulling their hair out trying to make the engines work when they did demo runs around here.
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby F1000X » 05 Dec 2011, 04:19

mario wrote:
nome66 wrote:don't know about Hermanos rodriguez. the elevation messed with loads of stuff.
this is as close as we get to what we want. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49oC9au-JNA
this is just on the exit of peridalta
Look at the chicane!

It would be an interesting situation for the teams if they were to race at Hermanos Rodriguez (which is certainly being considered) - the drop in air pressure around Interlagos, which is about 760m above sea level, has a noticeable effect on engine performance and the aerodynamics (the engines are thought to lose around 7% of their peak power). Hermanos Rodriguez, meanwhile, is nearly 2,300m above sea level - so, not only would the performance of the cars be much more limited, it's possible that the drivers could also start feeling the effects too.


Now they HAVE to go back. It would be really disappointing to see F1 turn down such unique challenge for both the teams and the drivers.
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby Waris » 05 Dec 2011, 07:07

nome66 wrote:so a race in the andes is out of the question?


The Andes is in South America, not Mexico.
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby nome66 » 05 Dec 2011, 07:14

it was a joke commenting on elevation
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby eurobrun » 05 Dec 2011, 10:03

Maybe they should go to that Fundidora park track that Champ Car went to. It looked cool with all the abandoned steel buildings in the background even if the racing wasnt that good
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby Jeroen Krautmeir » 05 Dec 2011, 10:27

eurobrun wrote:Maybe they should go to that Fundidora park track that Champ Car went to. It looked cool with all the abandoned steel buildings in the background even if the racing wasnt that good

Yeah, well, the racing wasn't good. Says it all really...
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby jackanderton » 05 Dec 2011, 23:50

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Mexican_Grand_Prix

The results of the final GP here.

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edit- oh and wow- 19 finishers at the 1990 event!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Mexican_Grand_Prix
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby DanielPT » 06 Dec 2011, 01:31

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
eurobrun wrote:Maybe they should go to that Fundidora park track that Champ Car went to. It looked cool with all the abandoned steel buildings in the background even if the racing wasnt that good

Yeah, well, the racing wasn't good. Says it all really...


I am guessing that, having slim behind, they would do a new circuit if Hermanos Rodriguez is judged too old or outdated. Unfortunately that would mean, with a high degree of probability, another Tilkedrome. This, in turn, tells us that there is a probability of 75% in which the circuit comes out a bland dullness...
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby IdeFan » 06 Dec 2011, 02:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccDQ7mzGDDQ&feature=related

Hermanos Rodriguez gets my vote!

Of course if it did happen they would probably have Tilke redevelop the track, so maybe we should leave it for the sake of a great track.
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby F1000X » 06 Dec 2011, 02:40

IdeFan wrote: Of course if it did happen they would probably have Tilke redevelop the track, so maybe we should leave it for the sake of a great track.


As long as he leaves the Peraltada untouched, that may not be a bad thing; the track isn't seeing any great use at present. From what I can tell it's not seeing use by any noteworthy series; Mexican F3 no longer exists, F3 Sudamericana doesn't go there, Champcar hasn't been there in years and Indycar doesn't look like it intends to go back, the Nascar Busch series race is gone, and the Rolex Sports Car Series is no longer visiting Mexico.
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby dinizintheoven » 06 Dec 2011, 06:20

F1000X wrote:As long as he leaves the Peraltada untouched...

...I am firmly of the opinion that the Peraltada will be the first corner that will be attacked by Hermann Tilke's scalpel. I still remember the day when it was announced the Japanese Grand Prix would transfer to Fuji; after briefly mourning the loss of Suzuka, I thought "maybe it won't be so bad, after all, that's where James Hunt won the World Championship all those years ago, and I know the circuit from playing Pole Position in the arcades when I was a nipper..."

...and then I saw the new circuit, and a wave of cold dread shot over me. What was this? This wasn't the Fuji I knew. All its long, flowing corners had been crudely hacked into a series of straight lines, and there were a load of Mickey Mouse chicanes where Fuji's answer to the Peraltada used to be...

Believe me, if Doctor Butcher ever gets his hands on the Hermanos Rodríguez circuit, it will be destroyed. It's a circuit almost entirely composed of constant-radius corners, and I can pretty much guarantee none of them will survive. I would, at the very least, expect everywhere from turns 6 to 13 to become a series of Valencia-esque straight lines with slight kinks, Peraltada will get much the same treatment as the last section of Barcelona, and the chicane at the end of the pit straight will be turned into a hairpin not a million miles away from the long straight at Shanghai.
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby nome66 » 06 Dec 2011, 07:01

wait. you mean like the champ car race?
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby Myrvold » 06 Dec 2011, 09:52

jackanderton wrote:edit- oh and wow- 19 finishers at the 1990 event!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Mexican_Grand_Prix


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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby F1000X » 06 Dec 2011, 10:19

Maybe you're right Diniz, and we should hope that it's held somewhere else. That turn is the defining mark of Hermanos-Rodriguez; if Tilke can't keep that bit as it is, he'll have done something criminal.
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby Ridge Racer » 08 Dec 2011, 02:40

You're all forgetting about the Ferro Sol baseball stadium which was built backing onto the the peraltada curve creating a giant blind spot coming into the corner which would necessitate either a redesign of the corner moving it further out by expanding the two straightaways it links or by bypassing the corner altogether like NASCAR and Indycar did when they used the track a few years ago.
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Re: Mexico GP should return...

Postby Captain Hammer » 08 Dec 2011, 18:36

JeremyMcClean wrote:We all know what happened to Valencia...

Where is it written that a Mexican street circuit would be Valencia 2.0? For all we know, it would be another Port Imperial with massive elevation changes and next to no run-off.
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