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by **razta** » 06 Dec 2011, 16:50

I know it's early but Merc AMG have confirmed the F1 W03 will début at the SECOND test on the 21st of Feb

Will be updating the thread as more teams release dates.

Redbull - 6th February
McLaren - 1st February 2012
Ferrari - 3rd February - confirmed
Mercedes - 21st February 2012
Lotus - 5th February
Force India- 3rd February
Sauber - 6th February 2012
Torro Rosso - 7th February
Williams -
Caterham - 26th January
HRT - First Test Circuito de Jerez 7th February 2012*
Marussia - 21st February - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97124

by **JeremyMcClean** » 07 Dec 2011, 07:54

Let's hope Mercedes' car doesn't look like a silver toilet...

by **AndreaModa** » 07 Dec 2011, 08:13

Well not using the first test seems like a bit of a brave decision, particularly with only three pre-season tests for 2012. We've seen before how McLaren made that mistake and paid for it, but maybe Mercedes know something I don't!

by **razta** » 07 Dec 2011, 13:55

AndreaModa wrote:Well not using the first test seems like a bit of a brave decision, particularly with only three pre-season tests for 2012. We've seen before how McLaren made that mistake and paid for it, but maybe Mercedes know something I don't!

Redbull did the same in 2010 and 2011

by **RealRacingRoots** » 07 Dec 2011, 15:37

HRT has put out the intention of having their new car ready for the first test. So.... put that on your list thing.

by **razta** » 07 Dec 2011, 15:39

RealRacingRoots wrote:HRT has put out the intention of having their new car ready for the first test. So.... put that on your list thing.

don't wanna sound like an idiot, but.. when exactly IS the first test? .. ooops

by **DanielPT** » 07 Dec 2011, 21:11

JeremyMcClean wrote:Let's hope Mercedes' car doesn't look like a silver toilet...

That would be an aerodynamic improvement from the silver anvil they have these days!

by **mario** » 07 Dec 2011, 23:49

As an aside, Autosport is reporting that there are a few changes in the technical regulations between now and 2012 which will have an impact on testing. The first point is that all the cars will have to pass the mandatory crash tests before they are allowed to take part in a test (up until now the teams only had to make sure that the cars had passed their crash tests before the first race, when the first official scruitineering session would take place).
The second point doesn't have an immediate impact on testing pre-season, but it is the announcement that there will now be an official three day test session during the season - moreover, unlike the Young Driver tests this year, the main drivers will be allowed to take part. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96676

by **F1000X** » 08 Dec 2011, 00:19

Mario is that a single 3 consecutive day test, or three individual day tests spaced throughout the season?

by **DanielPT** » 08 Dec 2011, 01:35

mario wrote:As an aside, Autosport is reporting that there are a few changes in the technical regulations between now and 2012 which will have an impact on testing. The first point is that all the cars will have to pass the mandatory crash tests before they are allowed to take part in a test (up until now the teams only had to make sure that the cars had passed their crash tests before the first race, when the first official scruitineering session would take place).
The second point doesn't have an immediate impact on testing pre-season, but it is the announcement that there will now be an official three day test session during the season - moreover, unlike the Young Driver tests this year, the main drivers will be allowed to take part. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96676

I am focusing my rage in just one change to the sporting regulations. Seriously, a driver cannot move back to the racing line after having moved to defend position? It's absolutely ridiculous. What they will do next? Black flag the guy who looks remotely like trying to defend his position? If they eliminate all traces of racing then there is no point whatsoever in F1 or in any other series.

Sorry, folks, rant is over now. Having said this I agree with the unlap under safety car rule.

by **mario** » 08 Dec 2011, 04:43

F1000X wrote:Mario is that a single 3 consecutive day test, or three individual day tests spaced throughout the season?

According to the World Motor Sport Council it will be a single test session which lasts three days, though when and where that test will take place is currently unknown. It's not even clear who exactly will be allowed to take part; whilst Autosport has interpreted it as allowing the main drivers to take part, that is not explicitly outlined by the WMSC.
In the past, some teams, especially Ferrari, wanted an official test session for reserve drivers, so they would be more prepared to drive than Badoer was when he was drafted in at short notice - it may well be the case that those teams do get their wishes, and we might be seeing figures like Turvey or Razia being given time in the cars instead.

DanielPT wrote:
mario wrote:As an aside, Autosport is reporting that there are a few changes in the technical regulations between now and 2012 which will have an impact on testing. The first point is that all the cars will have to pass the mandatory crash tests before they are allowed to take part in a test (up until now the teams only had to make sure that the cars had passed their crash tests before the first race, when the first official scruitineering session would take place).
The second point doesn't have an immediate impact on testing pre-season, but it is the announcement that there will now be an official three day test session during the season - moreover, unlike the Young Driver tests this year, the main drivers will be allowed to take part. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96676

I am focusing my rage in just one change to the sporting regulations. Seriously, a driver cannot move back to the racing line after having moved to defend position? It's absolutely ridiculous. What they will do next? Black flag the guy who looks remotely like trying to defend his position? If they eliminate all traces of racing then there is no point whatsoever in F1 or in any other series.

Sorry, folks, rant is over now. Having said this I agree with the unlap under safety car rule.

I did see that point and suspected that it would raise quite a few eyebrows when word got out about that - like you, I do think that it is a strange decision, and can only assume it is a clumsy attempt to eliminate double moves/weaving to block an opponent (though to be honest I would say that the FIA could use their existing powers to act against drivers - there are already rules against dangerous driving and weaving, for example - without having to resort to over the top regulations like the above). Moreover, what it doesn't address is the attitude of some drivers when it comes to defending, particularly when it comes to pushing other drivers towards the edge of the track (which is already against the regulations - stewards can penalise drivers for crowding other drivers in a dangerous matter towards the edge of the track - but rarely enforced).

by **Collieafc** » 08 Dec 2011, 05:04

I will also rage at this rule. At this rate I'm watching more competitive racing in the evening rush hour than F1. This rule just seems to kill off on-track action still further. Most drivers are not aggressive enough as it is. As you say Mario, theres already rules and options for stewards in place for outright dangerous driving - they dont need yet more beauracracy.

And they seem to keep changing their mind on that safety car rule as well. Make up your mind!

by **Myrvold** » 08 Dec 2011, 09:12

I'm not complaining, that the drivers was allowed to move back, made it very hard to follow the "one-move" rule.

by **razta** » 15 Dec 2011, 23:19

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96746

Ferrari Confirmed first day testing for launch of F2012

by **Minardi Man** » 16 Dec 2011, 07:33

razta wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96746

Ferrari Confirmed first day testing for launch of F2012

I see the usual optimistic hype from Ferrari.

by **Mister Fungus** » 16 Dec 2011, 23:31

You can add Sauber 6th of february to the list
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96778

by **S951** » 17 Dec 2011, 03:49

Caterham in theory should be at the first test aswell seeing as their mono has passed

by **mario** » 17 Dec 2011, 19:20

S951 wrote:Caterham in theory should be at the first test aswell seeing as their mono has passed

Added to that, Williams have said that they are about to start crash testing their car in accordance with the FIA's requirements (but say they've already tested them privately and passed, so the official tests seem to be mostly a formality). Coughlan also seems quite optimistic that the team will be at the first test too (although there is no definite launch date, according to him the car will be in their workshop by mid January - I wouldn't be surprised, therefore, if they chose to launch the car at the first test, which was what quite a few teams now seem to be doing). http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96774

by **Phoenix** » 19 Dec 2011, 07:54

mario wrote:
S951 wrote:Caterham in theory should be at the first test aswell seeing as their mono has passed

Added to that, Williams have said that they are about to start crash testing their car in accordance with the FIA's requirements (but say they've already tested them privately and passed, so the official tests seem to be mostly a formality). Coughlan also seems quite optimistic that the team will be at the first test too (although there is no definite launch date, according to him the car will be in their workshop by mid January - I wouldn't be surprised, therefore, if they chose to launch the car at the first test, which was what quite a few teams now seem to be doing). http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96774

They seem to be quite bullish about their prospects too, not only for next season, but forever it seems. Let's see when we'll see Williams winning championships again.

by **DanielPT** » 19 Dec 2011, 22:10

Phoenix wrote:
mario wrote:
S951 wrote:Caterham in theory should be at the first test aswell seeing as their mono has passed

Added to that, Williams have said that they are about to start crash testing their car in accordance with the FIA's requirements (but say they've already tested them privately and passed, so the official tests seem to be mostly a formality). Coughlan also seems quite optimistic that the team will be at the first test too (although there is no definite launch date, according to him the car will be in their workshop by mid January - I wouldn't be surprised, therefore, if they chose to launch the car at the first test, which was what quite a few teams now seem to be doing). http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96774

They seem to be quite bullish about their prospects too, not only for next season, but forever it seems. Let's see when we'll see Williams winning championships again.

Yes, they are known for being quite bullish, all the time. But I will save you the trouble and tell you in advance what will going to be like:

1- Williams announce a new driver;
2- New driver says it is proud to driver for such an historical team, that it was a dream come true, blah, blah, blah;
3- One of Williams drivers promises to bring back Williams to former glory, said he oversaw and tried the new car and it should be a cracker if everything goes according to plan;
4- Williams presents their new slick and good looking car. It is "obviously and improvement on last year" and announces a new major sponsor. Williams targets big points and everyone is smiling. Leading driver is happy because he has a good feeling about the car;
5- Williams manages to top one or two testing sessions. Pundits go wild and say this is it, that Williams are dark horses to manage a great season. Someone at Williams (probably Adam Parr) comes out and plays down podiums talk but remains cautiously optimistic;
6- Williams arrives at the first venue hoping to make a great start to the season;
7- Team manages something of a result/pace although nothing near podiums or big points. It was a false start but things would soon improve;
8- But things do not improve and soon it becomes apparent that Williams are underachieving. Again;
9- Team goes into half-season interregnum talking about shifting to the year after. Talks of a "better year, next year" start.
10- Some heads roll, probably one or both drivers will be changed and a new promising "thinking head" is hired.
11- Season turns out to be another failure, almost a total disaster. Again. But team goes into the off-season bullish;
12- Go back to point 3.

by **mario** » 19 Dec 2011, 23:37

You can add to that list of announced launch dates McLaren - the MP4-27 will be launched on Feb 1st according to Autosport and take part in all three pre-season tests. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96795
Meanwhile, Mercedes are defending their decision to launch their car at the second test - at the moment they are the only team to have confirmed they are intentionally delaying the launch of their car - on the grounds that the additional time they can spend developing the car back in the factory will outweigh the downside of missing the first test. I guess we can only wait and see if that proves to be the right decision..

by **BlindCaveSalamander** » 20 Dec 2011, 00:22

DanielPT wrote:1- Williams announce a new driver;
2- New driver says it is proud to driver for such an historical team, that it was a dream come true, blah, blah, blah;
3- One of Williams drivers promises to bring back Williams to former glory, said he oversaw and tried the new car and it should be a cracker if everything goes according to plan;
4- Williams presents their new slick and good looking car. It is "obviously and improvement on last year" and announces a new major sponsor. Williams targets big points and everyone is smiling. Leading driver is happy because he has a good feeling about the car;
5- Williams manages to top one or two testing sessions. Pundits go wild and say this is it, that Williams are dark horses to manage a great season. Someone at Williams (probably Adam Parr) comes out and plays down podiums talk but remains cautiously optimistic;
6- Williams arrives at the first venue hoping to make a great start to the season;
7- Team manages something of a result/pace although nothing near podiums or big points. It was a false start but things would soon improve;
8- But things do not improve and soon it becomes apparent that Williams are underachieving. Again;
9- Team goes into half-season interregnum talking about shifting to the year after. Talks of a "better year, next year" start.
10- Some heads roll, probably one or both drivers will be changed and a new promising "thinking head" is hired.
11- Season turns out to be another failure, almost a total disaster. Again. But team goes into the off-season bullish;
12- Go back to point 3.

The Williams cycle; trolling fans since 2006.

by **WeirdKerr** » 20 Dec 2011, 08:06

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
DanielPT wrote:1- Williams announce a new driver;
2- New driver says it is proud to driver for such an historical team, that it was a dream come true, blah, blah, blah;
3- One of Williams drivers promises to bring back Williams to former glory, said he oversaw and tried the new car and it should be a cracker if everything goes according to plan;
4- Williams presents their new slick and good looking car. It is "obviously and improvement on last year" and announces a new major sponsor. Williams targets big points and everyone is smiling. Leading driver is happy because he has a good feeling about the car;
5- Williams manages to top one or two testing sessions. Pundits go wild and say this is it, that Williams are dark horses to manage a great season. Someone at Williams (probably Adam Parr) comes out and plays down podiums talk but remains cautiously optimistic;
6- Williams arrives at the first venue hoping to make a great start to the season;
7- Team manages something of a result/pace although nothing near podiums or big points. It was a false start but things would soon improve;
8- But things do not improve and soon it becomes apparent that Williams are underachieving. Again;
9- Team goes into half-season interregnum talking about shifting to the year after. Talks of a "better year, next year" start.
10- Some heads roll, probably one or both drivers will be changed and a new promising "thinking head" is hired.
11- Season turns out to be another failure, almost a total disaster. Again. But team goes into the off-season bullish;
12- Go back to point 3.

The Williams cycle; trolling fans since 2006.

and anything that happens inbetween is progress

Website · by **Wizzie** » 20 Jan 2012, 21:14

New Toro Rosso to appear at first test

by **mario** » 20 Jan 2012, 22:13

So, given that news I understand that this is how the current launch schedule lines up:

Redbull - 6th February @ 1pm (via their website)
McLaren - 1st February
Ferrari - 3rd February, with a shakedown test on the 4th Feb http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96941
Mercedes - 21st February
Lotus - 6th February @ Jerez
Force India - 3rd February @ 9am at Silverstone http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97069
Sauber - 6th February @ Jerez
Toro Rosso - 7th February @ Jerez
Williams - 7th February @ Jerez
Caterham - 26th January via F1 Racing
HRT - Possibly 7th February @ Jerez, now looking more likely to be 21st February @ Barcelona
Marussia - 21st February @ Barcelona, although Pic will drive a 2011 spec car at Jerez for tyre testing and practise mileage http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97124

by **AdrianSutil** » 21 Jan 2012, 00:14

No word from Lotus yet? Surprised by that. Expect HRT to show off new car at Saturday practice at the first race.

by **mario** » 21 Jan 2012, 01:10

AdrianSutil wrote:No word from Lotus yet? Surprised by that. Expect HRT to show off new car at Saturday practice at the first race.

Actually, I stand corrected - it seems Lotus are due to launch their car at Jerez on the 6th, much like Sauber are doing (I'll edit my last post accordingly). I still can't find any confirmation from Marussia when they are launching their car though (whilst the dates for HRT may yet change depending on how the F112 is developing).

by **FMecha** » 21 Jan 2012, 01:16

DanielPT wrote:1- Williams announce a new driver;
2- New driver says it is proud to driver for such an historical team, that it was a dream come true, blah, blah, blah;
3- One of Williams drivers promises to bring back Williams to former glory, said he oversaw and tried the new car and it should be a cracker if everything goes according to plan;
4- Williams presents their new slick and good looking car. It is "obviously and improvement on last year" and announces a new major sponsor. Williams targets big points and everyone is smiling. Leading driver is happy because he has a good feeling about the car;
5- Williams manages to top one or two testing sessions. Pundits go wild and say this is it, that Williams are dark horses to manage a great season. Someone at Williams (probably Adam Parr) comes out and plays down podiums talk but remains cautiously optimistic;
6- Williams arrives at the first venue hoping to make a great start to the season;
7- Team manages something of a result/pace although nothing near podiums or big points. It was a false start but things would soon improve;
8- But things do not improve and soon it becomes apparent that Williams are underachieving. Again;
9- Team goes into half-season interregnum talking about shifting to the year after. Talks of a "better year, next year" start.
10- Some heads roll, probably one or both drivers will be changed and a new promising "thinking head" is hired.
11- Season turns out to be another failure, almost a total disaster. Again. But team goes into the off-season bullish;
12- Go back to point 3, or team goes ran out or money and collapses.

Fixed

by **solarcold** » 21 Jan 2012, 01:29

HRT to make it by 2nd tests in Barcelona, 21st Feb, according to some their press-release i have only read in russian.

by **DanielPT** » 21 Jan 2012, 01:59

FMecha wrote:
DanielPT wrote:1- Williams announce a new driver;
2- New driver says it is proud to driver for such an historical team, that it was a dream come true, blah, blah, blah;
3- One of Williams drivers promises to bring back Williams to former glory, said he oversaw and tried the new car and it should be a cracker if everything goes according to plan;
4- Williams presents their new slick and good looking car. It is "obviously and improvement on last year" and announces a new major sponsor. Williams targets big points and everyone is smiling. Leading driver is happy because he has a good feeling about the car;
5- Williams manages to top one or two testing sessions. Pundits go wild and say this is it, that Williams are dark horses to manage a great season. Someone at Williams (probably Adam Parr) comes out and plays down podiums talk but remains cautiously optimistic;
6- Williams arrives at the first venue hoping to make a great start to the season;
7- Team manages something of a result/pace although nothing near podiums or big points. It was a false start but things would soon improve;
8- But things do not improve and soon it becomes apparent that Williams are underachieving. Again;
9- Team goes into half-season interregnum talking about shifting to the year after. Talks of a "better year, next year" start.
10- Some heads roll, probably one or both drivers will be changed and a new promising "thinking head" is hired.
11- Season turns out to be another failure, almost a total disaster. Again. But team goes into the off-season bullish;
12- Go back to point 3, or team goes ran out or money and collapses.

Fixed

By the way, we just left point 2. Point 3 and 4 to happen in the next few weeks.

by **Ataxia** » 21 Jan 2012, 06:15

Can't believe HRT think they'll reach one of the test sessions...expect a scramble to get the cars together during the FPs in Melbourne, to result in a brace of DNQs.

by **nome66** » 21 Jan 2012, 07:22

or one DNQ in Melbourne after a mad dash without windtunnel testing, then an embarrasing exit from the series.
oh, wait

by **dr-baker** » 21 Jan 2012, 07:27

But at least HRT have already had two full seasons. That was their debut that you're referring to!

by **stupot94** » 21 Jan 2012, 08:12

I'm getting ready for the usual snorefest of the Sauber launch.
Oh yeah white, thats original :roll:

by **Shizuka** » 21 Jan 2012, 16:08

Sauber should consider their 1993-1994 black livery

by **razta** » 21 Jan 2012, 16:31

ok.. sorry guys, have updated the first post accordingly

by **Captain Hammer** » 21 Jan 2012, 17:54

I had to smirk at this headline on Autosport:

Lotus will reveal Kimi Raikkonen’s Lotus on its new website on February 5

So, when are they launching Romain Grosjean’s Lotus, then?

by **stupot94** » 21 Jan 2012, 19:30

Captain Hammer wrote:I had to smirk at this headline on Autosport:

Lotus will reveal Kimi Raikkonen’s Lotus on its new website on February 5

So, when are they launching Romain Grosjean’s Lotus, then?

I know they are just launching Fernando Alonso's Ferrari at Maranello!

by **stupot94** » 21 Jan 2012, 19:31

Shizuka wrote:Sauber should consider their 1993-1994 black livery

Well they could still suprise us.

by **nome66** » 22 Jan 2012, 02:18

Shizuka wrote:Sauber should consider their 1993-1994 black livery

then regain sponsorship from Tissot for that really awesome livery from '94

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