F2RWRS - The feeder category of the F1RWRS

[This]

DM: i have no problems with Mr. McAllister, but my brother Ron has... and he's not an easy guy., if you ruined your chances with Ron, you've ruined them forever...
Our driver doesn't have to be eastern-european, it would be commercially more interesting because Zastava isn't selling cars in the west.
You know, if we can get free engines, we're willing to put in one of the Lancia-drivers

[JeremyMcClean]

Unbelieveable performance from Andrej today, it shows why we hired him. About the rumours, I'm not one to dictate his racing career, though I would honestly like to see him go to F1RWRS.

Good that we got some points finally. We do need a better car, but I am committed towards the team. I'm definitely racing for the Young Lions again in 2015 unless I get a good offer in F1RWRS.

[Stramala]

Unbelieveable performance from Andrej today, it shows why we hired him. About the rumours, I'm not one to dictate his racing career, though I would honestly like to see him go to F1RWRS.

Mr Johnson, I don't know if you've been reading the news or not, but Andrej already has a signed and sealed contract with Scuderia Alitalia. Part of which guaratnees him promotion to F1RWRS. So, there are no "rumours" as you put it.

[Wizzie]

I'm thinking of changing the rules to extend prize money for drivers from the top 3 to the top 5 with the split as 200, 125, 75, 50, 25 instead of the current system which is 200, 100, 50 to help Young drivers out even more.

I'm also considering whether to let prize money for drivers accumulate over the years depending on results but I'll have to work that system out once the season finishes.

Finally, two extra points to bring up. Firstly, as long as Lancia and Lotus sort out a deal, they've got one spot on the tender and secondly, should I make a new points system for Indy or not?

[JeremyMcClean]

Unbelieveable performance from Andrej today, it shows why we hired him. About the rumours, I'm not one to dictate his racing career, though I would honestly like to see him go to F1RWRS.

Mr Johnson, I don't know if you've been reading the news or not, but Andrej already has a signed and sealed contract with Scuderia Alitalia. Part of which guaratnees him promotion to F1RWRS. So, there are no "rumours" as you put it.

I thought the rumours were false...

MARCHESI TO MRT???
According to a small Sammarine newspaper, Aston Martin driver might move to Melrose Racing Team in 2015 to fill in the seat which Mitchell Macklin will most likely leave to go to F1RWRS next season (seeing how he is very high up in the standings). Daniel Melrose was unable to report, as was Marchesi.

[Stramala]

Dennis, I realise he had been pretty bad this season, but we will arrange for a 75% discount on engines if you put Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen in one of your seats. I realise he's been nowhere this season, but we have data to prove that this isnt' his fault, and that actually he's a good, talented driver. If you give him a chance he'll easily score points for you next season, I guarantee it. Heck, I'm so sure of it, I'll write it into the contract. The 75% discount will be updated to 100% discount if van Nieuwenhuijzen fails to score in 2015.

[Wizzie]

Now this is an interesting development. We already have Michael Robertson coming in to replace Macklin at the end of the year but as to our second seat, our options are totally open as we have been less than impressed with Marie Simon, particularly with her poor qualifying performances which means she gets caught up in too many incidents on race day. Should we decide to let go of Simon, then our options will probably either be Raul Suoto Maior, Dan Greenlaw or Alessandro Marchesi.

[This]

Seems the comissions isn't happy on us making deals, Mr Lindsay. Well, i'll just pay for your engines and put in a good talented driver non-pay-driver. (seriously, Van Nieuwenhuijzen? )

[Wizzie]

Seems the comissions isn't happy on us making deals, Mr Lindsay. Well, i'll just pay for your engines and put in a good talented driver non-pay-driver. (seriously, Van Nieuwenhuijzen? )

On the contrary actually. The Commission is more than happy to let Lotus and Lancia sort out a deal because it'd mean Lancia will probably be one of the new engine manufactuerers for next year.

[This]

Seems the comissions isn't happy on us making deals, Mr Lindsay. Well, i'll just pay for your engines and put in a good talented driver non-pay-driver. (seriously, Van Nieuwenhuijzen? )

On the contrary actually. The Commission is more than happy to let Lotus and Lancia sort out a deal because it'd mean Lancia will probably be one of the new engine manufactuerers for next year.

shhhht, i'm just feeding the fire a little bit... And hope Lancia will suggest me a better driver. Because of course, the deal has to be beneficial for both sides. Just to make clear that RonDen RE is NOT an Alitalia B-team!

[Stramala]

Seems the comissions isn't happy on us making deals, Mr Lindsay. Well, i'll just pay for your engines and put in a good talented driver non-pay-driver. (seriously, Van Nieuwenhuijzen? )

On the contrary actually. The Commission is more than happy to let Lotus and Lancia sort out a deal because it'd mean Lancia will probably be one of the new engine manufactuerers for next year.

shhhht, i'm just feeding the fire a little bit... And hope Lancia will suggest me a better driver. Because of course, the deal has to be beneficial for both sides. Just to make clear that RonDen RE is NOT an Alitalia B-team!

You could always promote Ragnar Larsen from F3RWRS? The alternative is to have a fight between yourself and Hydook for the services of Enrico Molinaro.
And van Nieuwenhuijzen isn't at all bad! If he doesn't get a seat at your team he'll be driving for Alitalia! I have faith.

[Wizzie]

On the contrary actually. The Commission is more than happy to let Lotus and Lancia sort out a deal because it'd mean Lancia will probably be one of the new engine manufactuerers for next year.

shhhht, i'm just feeding the fire a little bit... And hope Lancia will suggest me a better driver. Because of course, the deal has to be beneficial for both sides. Just to make clear that RonDen RE is NOT an Alitalia B-team!

You could always promote Ragnar Larsen from F3RWRS? The alternative is to have a fight between yourself and Hydook for the services of Enrico Molinaro.
And van Nieuwenhuijzen isn't at all bad! If he doesn't get a seat at your team he'll be driving for Alitalia! I have faith.

Speak of van Nieuwenhuijzen, think I've figured out what the problem is after doing a practice session for Indy before the race as part of the performance file randomisation. After the KitKats finished the session 1-3, I think what CSM is doing is loading the Prost team performance file rather than the KitKat one but the way the mod was designed should mean that this isn't the case. However, something got lost in translation when making the performance files and now I think it's not loading properly which means Shioya gets Frentzen's stats, van Nieuwenhuijzen's using Enge's stats, and the team get Prost's performance which explains why they're so much quicker than anyone else down a straight line.

[Stramala]

Speak of van Nieuwenhuijzen, think I've figured out what the problem is after doing a practice session for Indy before the race as part of the performance file randomisation. After the KitKats finished the session 1-3, I think what CSM is doing is loading the Prost team performance file rather than the KitKat one but the way the mod was designed should mean that this isn't the case. However, something got lost in translation when making the performance files and now I think it's not loading properly which means Shioya gets Frentzen's stats, van Nieuwenhuijzen's using Enge's stats, and the team get Prost's performance which explains why they're so much quicker than anyone else down a straight line.

Which makes sense given how crap Enge was in GP4

[Wizzie]

Speak of van Nieuwenhuijzen, think I've figured out what the problem is after doing a practice session for Indy before the race as part of the performance file randomisation. After the KitKats finished the session 1-3, I think what CSM is doing is loading the Prost team performance file rather than the KitKat one but the way the mod was designed should mean that this isn't the case. However, something got lost in translation when making the performance files and now I think it's not loading properly which means Shioya gets Frentzen's stats, van Nieuwenhuijzen's using Enge's stats, and the team get Prost's performance which explains why they're so much quicker than anyone else down a straight line.

Which makes sense given how crap Enge was in GP4

So was Fernando Alonso strangely enough

[eurobrun]

I have had Enge finish 4th out of 13 finishers at Hockenheim.

[Wizzie]

I've just solved the problem. After merging the Campos performance file (The separate performance file the KitKat team use) with the main one, it normalised all the performances. However, I'm probably going to revert to the original file for Indianapolis, simply because it'd be cool to simulate the team taking the same gamble they did last year at Indy to try and save their sorry behinds from pre-qualifying next year

The reason the performance file for the KitKat team was separate from the other teams is deceptively simple. With the GP2 mod that I'm using as a base, you can choose which team can be in the team 11 slot (The choices are Campos, Durango, the GP2 test team and a fantasy team) which means that for each possible option, there's a specific performance file for each race on the original GP2 mod's calender for each specific team in their own special folders. However, the same philosophy, as I've discovered right now, doesn't apply when I create custom performance files which explains all the problems I've been having with the team all season.

[Wizzie]

And, because I can, I'm going to write a review on what I believe are each team's chances from 6th to 11th to avoiding pre-qualifying for next year:

Hydook Racing Team
All the Hydook team needs is one more podium from Johannes Rueckert and they're virtually assured of avoiding pre-qualifying for next year. However, getting that podium is going to be a major issue as time and time again, Johannes has been in a position to score a major result only for him to either throw it off the road (France and Portugal) or for something to go horribly wrong. Anton Bosevic will step down from driving before the end of the year but with a promising Italian in the form of Enrico Molinaro and the points Bosevic himself has accumulated, they shouldn't have too many issues.

Simpson Motorsports
Dave Simpson must be wondering what the hell he's done wrong in a previous life as ever since Robertson scored a podium in the Netherlands, precisely nothing has gone right for the team with the Australian's now legendary bad luck now affecting his outfit. On the bright side, before then, Robertson has been absolutely fantastic and is still is even now and has got the MRT contract for 2015 to show for it. Dave Anderson has been eternally unlucky all season with several big results gone begging (most notably at Monaco and Germany) and just being the innocent victim of all sorts of contretemps, including Marco Bizzarri's second enormous accident of the year at Estoril. Should stay out of pre-qualifying with luck permitting.

Group Lotus Professional Ecurie Nationale Belge - Gillet
The team should be worried. Really worried. It's simple as that really. Other than Terry Hawkin's two podiums and Wouter Lamberigts' pole positions, the team has done absolutely sod all and are now dangerously close to falling into pre-qualifying for 2015. Lamberigts is already destined for that fate as so far, he's one of two drivers which have been confirmed by the new teams combined for 2015. Laurent Seron has shown absolutely no form whatsoever since his return and if he doesn't perform in 2015, Thomas De Bock should ask some serious questions about whether he should be kept on or replaced by Eric Swerts, who look increasingly like Belgium's next big star.

Trueba Junior Team/Scuderia Jones Italia
When one thinks of the team, one is immediately reminded of an Italian Soap Opera which as a result makes one wonder why Alasdair Lindsey hasn't snapped and strangled both Sammy Jones and Commissioner Don Rennis yet. The person Lindsey should be putting on the chopping block first however is Marco Bizzarri who not only has been a magnet for trouble but has been absolutely insipid since round 1 where he retired from 2nd place. On the other side of the garage however, Terry Hawkin has scored most of the team's points and has singled himself out as a star of the future. With Andrej Kremnicky joining the team next year, they look like they could challenge for next year's championship. It's just that chances are, they'll be doing it from the wrong end of pit lane.

Red Bull Rising Ashes F2RWRS Team
If Alasdair Lindsey is a pissed off Glaswegian, then Phoenix McAllister is a volcano ready to explode as he's got quite possibly two of the worst drivers in the grid who really aren't doing their job well enough. Niko Bellic has had a grand total of 2 points finishes all year (although to be fair, some of it isn't his fault) but at least he hasn't had quite as many accidents at ROTY candidate Tanner Jason. The American has been, frankly, embarrassing and was even benched for two races for his inability to temper his aggression on track. If the team are to have a chance of escaping Pre-Qualifying, they need their drivers to up their game but both, Jason in particular, have the potential to be great given the right tutorage.

Kit-Kat Warriors
Chris Dagnall's merry men were anything but that over the course of the year and as a result, unless something dramatic happens or they continue their form at Indianapolis, they look like facing the barrel of pre-qualifying for 2015. Hansuke Shioya's win at Germany was the only bright spark in an otherwise dismal year with their constant gamble of prioritising straight line speed over grip paying off to various degrees and the second seat turning into a revolving door. Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen has been poor up to this point but after a private test at Donnington to give him some more time in the car, he seems to have finally found his feet and delivering the talent he has.

[Stramala]

WHEN ARE PEOPLE GOING TO LEARN TO SPELL MY F***ING NAME RIGHT?! LINDSAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! AAAAAAAAA!!!! THERE'S NO F***ING E ANYWHERE!!!!!!!! GGGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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DM: well mr Lindsay, we are looking for a driver who is really good in qualifying, as we need to pre-qualify, we'll keep an eye on Van Nieuwenhuijzens progress, but he needs to be a whole lot faster in qualifying.
Perhaps that has something to do with KitKat Warriors underperforming. We'll see.

Oh and nevermind people not spelling your name right, they always think I'm French, that's even worse.

I think Lamberigts future looks pretty good as he's a good qualifier, ideal for small teams in F1RWRS

[Stramala]

DM: well mr Lindsay, we are looking for a driver who is really good in qualifying, as we need to pre-qualify, we'll keep an eye on Van Nieuwenhuijzens progress, but he needs to be a whole lot faster in qualifying.
Perhaps that has something to do with KitKat Warriors underperforming. We'll see.

Oh and nevermind people not spelling your name right, they always think I'm French, that's even worse.

I think Lamberigts future looks pretty good as he's a good qualifier, ideal for small teams in F1RWRS

We will have to enquire with the Commission vis-a-vis maximum team size in F3RWRS next year. This will affect our own team's plan and therefore the plans for drivers that are part of Scuderia Alitalia Giovanile Squadra.

[This]

DM: Here's the proposal We'll sign whatever driver you want in the second car of F2RWRS and F3RWRS in 2015 if you sign Gio Van Dycke for a full F1RWRS season, considering you were looking for a driver for 2015 only, this is the perfect deal. We know he's got a questionable past, but he learned his lessons and is more professional than ever!
So 2 financial options: we pay our engines and you take GVD for free, or either we will receive free engines for F2 and F3 and you will receive sponsorship for the F1

[Wizzie]

I'll post the link to the template after school but, if you can, could the the owners of the three new teams (Jones Racing, MA Racing and Lotus) please design their liveries?

Jones Racing has numbers 24 and 25, MA has 26 and 27, and Lotus has 28 and 29.

[Stramala]

DM: Here's the proposal We'll sign whatever driver you want in the second car of F2RWRS and F3RWRS in 2015 if you sign Gio Van Dycke for a full F1RWRS season, considering you were looking for a driver for 2015 only, this is the perfect deal. We know he's got a questionable past, but he learned his lessons and is more professional than ever!
So 2 financial options: we pay our engines and you take GVD for free, or either we will receive free engines for F2 and F3 and you will receive sponsorship for the F1

Dennis, I'm afraid we can't do the Gio Van Dycke deal, as we have just signed up a driver for our second seat in 2015, so there is no vacancy there.

We are still happy to supply you engines with no drivers whatsoever involved, this is always an option. Alternatively, if you officially name your team Zastava Racing (we can permit a title sponsor in there as well if you have one contracted) and run the team under a Serbian racing license, we will give the engines for free in both F2RWRS and F3RWRS, with an option for van Nieuwenhuijzen should you change your mind. I'm afraid we can't take on any of your drivers are our seats quota is already full. And, to clarify, only the F2RWRS team would need to be named Zastava Racing for the deal to be valid. The F3RWRS team can still run as whatever name you like registered with a Dutch, Belgian, whatever racing license.

[Stramala]

I'll post the link to the template after school but, if you can, could the the owners of the three new teams (Jones Racing, MA Racing and Lotus) please design their liveries?

Jones Racing has numbers 24 and 25, MA has 26 and 27, and Lotus has 28 and 29.

Don't forget that Scuderia Alitalia will also need a new livery once they split from Jones Racing. I'll leave the space for numbers blank in case our current position in the teams championship changes before the end of the season.

Dear Mr Alexander,

Lancia Competizione Powertrain S.r.L. is aware of your new entry to the 2015 Formula Two Rejects World Race Series. As a British consortium, your team is of great interest to us, as we are promoting a new line of vehicles using our Chrysler brand in the United Kingdom.

In conjunction with this, we would like to offer you a special deal for your engine supply needs for next season's F2RWRS.

We will give you a full supply of engines, free of charge, with the same quality and technical support as our paying customers, should you accept the premise of branding your team "Chrysler Mitie Aviation Racing", including prominent branding of Chrysler logos on both your cars.

In this scenario, we would prefer you to have at least one talented British driver in your driver line-up for 2015, however this request is flexible according to what suits best for the team.

Please consider this proposal and get back to us when you have evaluated your options. I hope we can forge a long partnership together in the F2RWRS with the Chrysler marque.

Yours faithfully,

Mika Salonen
Managing Director, Lancia Competizione Powertrain S.r.L

[eurobrun]

Alasdir Lindsay and Gio Van Dycke. As if there isn't enough alcoholism in the F1RWRS.

[This]

I can't work with templates, but i can do something amateurish version to give you an idea what to do for the livery and sponsors.

No, running the team as serbian goes too far for our sponsors. We will continue as RonDen Racing Engineering (Belgian license), with a Lancia engine re-badged as Zastava, Lancia-sponsorship, and Van Nieuwenhuijzen gets a contract for at least 5 races.

Also, it's not entirely clear if i'm forced to continue calling my cars Lotus or not (also this means the Lotus Professional sponsorship deal with Gillet ends)

[Stramala]

I can't work with templates, but i can do something amateurish version to give you an idea what to do for the livery and sponsors.

No, running the team as serbian goes too far for our sponsors. We will continue as RonDen Racing Engineering (Belgian license), with a Lancia engine re-badged as Zastava, Lancia-sponsorship, and Van Nieuwenhuijzen gets a contract for at least 5 races.

Also, it's not entirely clear if i'm forced to continue calling my cars Lotus or not (also this means the Lotus Professional sponsorship deal with Gillet ends)

If you change 5 races to 50% of the season, then you have a deal.

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50% is allright (and by not being able to work with templates i mean that i totally can't paint or draw, so if anybody is willing to translate my poor drawings into something decent, it will be a great help)

[Stramala]

50% is allright (and by not being able to work with templates i mean that i totally can't paint or draw, so if anybody is willing to translate my poor drawings into something decent, it will be a great help)

A deal is done then! We'll charter a flight, courtesy of Alitalia, to come and pick you up from Belgium and visit our Parma HQ to sign the contract. As for the car design, we can throw that in free of charge too, just tell our graphics department what you want done and we'll draft some designs for your team. We've got plenty of space in our newly upgraded facilities, you can divert the shipment of your cars via the D Wing of our Parma factory and we'll get them painted for you.

Lancia & Zastava announces partnership with RonDen Racing Engineering for 2015 F2RWRS Season

Lancia Competizione Powertrain S.r.L. and Zastava Automobiles are pleased to announce a new venture into the Formula Two Rejects World Race Series. Zastava will supply engines to the new RonDen Racing Engineering team from the 2015 season of the F2RWRS onwards, and Lancia will also supply other teams on the grid, including partner team Scuderia Alitalia.

"This is a proud moment for Lancia and Zastava," said Mika Salonen, Managing Director of Lancia Competizione Powertrain. "This has been..."

[cue pages upon pages of publicocrap]

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Well if you make my car, i run your drivers and sponsors, fair deal. I'll pm you the details.

[Wizzie]

The official announcement will be made after Canada but I can tell you right now the Lancia group will be one of the new manufacturers for 2015.

[AndreaModa]

Wizzie: I'd be very interested in the link for the template, but my issue is that my livery is somewhat dependent on engine supplier for next year because...

Jones: "We Want Triumph"

Last night it emerged that Sammy Jones, team owner of Jones Racing who will be one of the new teams joining the F2RWRS grid next year, has entered negotiations with the Triumph Motor Company to become the factory-supported team in the series. The announcement regarding the award of contracts to new engine suppliers is due to be released following the Canadian race weekend, and Jones is confident that the Triumph supply will be one of those given the green light.

"It's essentially Triumph working off BMW's blueprints" said the Englishman, "I've seen the plans Triumph have with the engine, they're looking to make a number of improvements to the existing design, and hopefully that will provide a number of benefits over the units BMW have been using this year. I certainly would rather take Triumph's supply because it will be based off an engine that has already had a year's worth of development in the series, rather than a completely new design from manufacturers such as Lancia or Holden. They both run rival factory F1RWRS teams to my own, and so there would no doubt be a potential conflict of interests when it boiled down to sponsorship contracts, and even driver choices. We've already seen the negotiations between Lancia and RonDen Racing, and I have absolutely no intention of allowing Jones Racing to become a simple pawn of a larger manufacturer's interests. We really hope that Triumph are allowed to supply the series, whether it's just with us, or with any number of teams. It would be great for the series, which is so well supported by British drivers and teams, to also have a British engine supplier too. I'd personally like to appeal to the Commission to consider these valid points and to bear in mind the nature of Triumph's current set-up as an effective subsidiary of BMW for the time being, and allow them to enter as one of the new engine suppliers."

Jones then went on to add,

"Our work with Triumph is looking to be more than just an engine supply for the F2RWRS though. We're currently negotiating on a number of potential deals that could see the two parties linked far more closely in the future. It's something we're very excited about, and whilst it is all still early days yet, we hope that what we have planned will come to fruition, and should that be the case, an announcement will be made in the near future".

[Stramala]

Erm, conflict of interest? Triumph earn a tender spot because they supply what is essentially their own team? I'm just saying, I'll back off Mitie if it means there's a fair fight between the remaining manufacturers. Lancia got a spot not because of Scuderia Alitalia but thanks to the new Zastava deal so we've satisfied the criteria without any conflict of interest.

I can't believe what I'm seeing, the contemptuous and libelous comments coming from Triumph. They are making completely unfounded accusations. But, we aren't allowed to do anything about it because of this court case with the Commission. It's awful, we can't defend ourselves.

Lancia welcomes manufacturers who embrace the series in a positive way, rather than attacking its competitors verbally. We are not happy with the method of approach Triumph have taken with their bid for an F2RWRS engine supplier slot, and we hope one of the other potential manufacturers steps forward, to embark on a positive and friendly rivalry from 2015 and beyond.

[AndreaModa]

Most of that post is incorrect Kostas. First of all, Triumph and Jones Racing are two completely separate organisations, Jones Racing would simply be Triumph's primary customer, just like Red Bull is currently Renualt's primary customer, and McLaren used to be Mercedes' primary customer. Scuderia Alitalia however is effectively the Lancia factory team with a title sponsor on top.

And I'm not quite sure if the whole tender process is meaningful anyway because we have 'officially' three interested manufacturers on top of BMW, that is Holden, Lancia and Triumph, and of those we only have Lancia, and now Triumph with any proposed customers. Might as well just let them all in to be honest.

Secondly, none of what was written above came from any Triumph employees, but from Sammy Jones himself who isn't linked in any way whatsoever to Triumph.

We'd like to clarify the situation regarding Sammy Jones' comments made last night. What Sammy Jones and his racing outfit choose to say is entirely independent and unconnected from Triumph Motor Company and as such should be treated in this way. Triumph Motor Company seeks to maintain an active, healthy and good natured relationship with other prospective engine manufacturers who have entered the tender process for the F2RWRS, and is actively seeking other potential customers for the 2015 season and onwards alongside the Jones Racing team.

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This is pretty much how i want my car to look, but this is not the GP2 template.
I informed kostas about everything. (that top-sidei send you is really nothing but a sketch, as you see there are many black lines and white spaces around sponsors that need to be filled up)
[IMG=http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8977/ronden.jpg][/IMG]

[Stramala]

Most of that post is incorrect Kostas. First of all, Triumph and Jones Racing are two completely separate organisations, Jones Racing would simply be Triumph's primary customer, just like Red Bull is currently Renualt's primary customer, and McLaren used to be Mercedes' primary customer. Scuderia Alitalia however is effectively the Lancia factory team with a title sponsor on top.

Those aren't the terms I was implying the conflict of interest existed in. Triumph is a manufacturer you have created for the sport and decided to run, and you're selling engines to Jones Racing, a team you run. Hence conflict of interest.

[AndreaModa]

Most of that post is incorrect Kostas. First of all, Triumph and Jones Racing are two completely separate organisations, Jones Racing would simply be Triumph's primary customer, just like Red Bull is currently Renualt's primary customer, and McLaren used to be Mercedes' primary customer. Scuderia Alitalia however is effectively the Lancia factory team with a title sponsor on top.

Those aren't the terms I was implying the conflict of interest existed in. Triumph is a manufacturer you have created for the sport and decided to run, and you're selling engines to Jones Racing, a team you run. Hence conflict of interest.

Fair enough, I understand where you're coming from, but I guess if we're to entirely remove a conflict of interest, then we need manufacturers created by members who don't already own teams or drivers - i.e. an impossibility. That was my original point when Wizzie first came up with the idea of the tender process, that we wouldn't have many manufacturers come forward because there aren't that many factory efforts in any of the series, with the exception of yours, Wizzie's with BMW and TMLW's with Holden. Those three are the only realistic bidders for slots to supply new engines in the F2RWRS, and now they've been joined by Triumph, under my control, and I decided to do that as it was a good opportunity to go in a new direction, and BMW's current (real world 2012) ownership of the Triumph car brand provided a good little back-story to it.

Ultimately I'm not too fussed whether Triumph get a slot, it may affect future plans for Jones Racing, and it may not, I haven't decided yet. It would be nice to have a new supplier on top of Lancia, Holden and BMW though, and whether that's Triumph, or someone else who steps in, then that would be great.

[Stramala]

Most of that post is incorrect Kostas. First of all, Triumph and Jones Racing are two completely separate organisations, Jones Racing would simply be Triumph's primary customer, just like Red Bull is currently Renualt's primary customer, and McLaren used to be Mercedes' primary customer. Scuderia Alitalia however is effectively the Lancia factory team with a title sponsor on top.

Those aren't the terms I was implying the conflict of interest existed in. Triumph is a manufacturer you have created for the sport and decided to run, and you're selling engines to Jones Racing, a team you run. Hence conflict of interest.

Fair enough, I understand where you're coming from, but I guess if we're to entirely remove a conflict of interest, then we need manufacturers created by members who don't already own teams or drivers - i.e. an impossibility. That was my original point when Wizzie first came up with the idea of the tender process, that we wouldn't have many manufacturers come forward because there aren't that many factory efforts in any of the series, with the exception of yours, Wizzie's with BMW and TMLW's with Holden. Those three are the only realistic bidders for slots to supply new engines in the F2RWRS, and now they've been joined by Triumph, under my control, and I decided to do that as it was a good opportunity to go in a new direction, and BMW's current (real world 2012) ownership of the Triumph car brand provided a good little back-story to it.

Ultimately I'm not too fussed whether Triumph get a slot, it may affect future plans for Jones Racing, and it may not, I haven't decided yet. It would be nice to have a new supplier on top of Lancia, Holden and BMW though, and whether that's Triumph, or someone else who steps in, then that would be great.

I agree that there should be four manufacturers anyway, but, if the regulations state that only there are only two places open for tender, then a case of conflict of interest supercedes any attempt by Jones Racing to bring Triumph into the F2RWRS fold. While I have no problem with Triumph being part of the series, if the manner in which they gain entry to the series is by the currently suggested scenario, it is rather unfair to Holden, and any other manufacturer who should wish to step forward. I think, given that there are only two manufacturers remaining in the tender process, with one slot left, both should be allowed in anyway.

Yes, the above post could be rather linguistically challenging for our members who speak English as a second languague. I apologise, but I have just written an extremely lengthy post regarding the CAS case of Scuderia Alitalia S.p.A. vs F1RWRS Commission, and are currently stuck in legal speak mode.

[Wizzie]

I see another potential problem. BMW, Lancia and Holden are not the only manufacturers with a vested interest in the series as we also have Aston Martin and Gillet with effectively factory outfits and the "new team supplier" pre-requisite was to initially imply that any manufacturer had to supply a total of 2 teams, including that new team, and I get the feeling that Kostas and I were on the same page for once. Also, if Aston Martin or Gillet show any interest, it would be safe to assume that they've already completed half the implied pre-requisite of the 2 team criteria which means that they would have priority over Triumph. This pre-requisite will form the basis of a new technical regulation for 2016 where no manufacturer can supply more than 5 teams and less than 2 to ensure the viability of each manufacturer's engine program.

That being said, will the owners of Aston Martin, Gillet and MA Racing please, stand up because if you don't before I post the race review for the Spanish GP on Sunday, the former two lose their priority on the tender and MA Racing will lose their entry for next year (On the same basis that Aerond uses for the F1RWRS that I want active members in the series if possible)

[JeremyMcClean]

So to make this clear:
No more than five teams supplied and no less than two?
Sounds reasonable, if so.
If anyone would want to have Aston Martin engines in 2015 please say so either by posting or sending me an email.