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by **AdrianSutil** » 19 Feb 2012, 17:20

If someone can tell me what the engine and chassis options are for next season I'll make my choices immediately.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 19 Feb 2012, 17:42

Well, the chassis is Lola, Lola and Lola but the engine choices are possibly Holden, Aston Martin, Audi and Gillet. You've got two weeks to decide and remember, your engine choice will actually have a major impact on the rest of the field. Good luck :lol:

by **Pointrox** » 19 Feb 2012, 20:46

Hydook confirm Aston Martin engine deal
Hydook Racing Team have confirmed the deal to form a technical partnership with Aston Martin for the 2015 season.
In a long-term deal, the Hydook cars will be powered by Aston Martin, the first time that the manufacturer has supplied another chassis constructor in their long history.

"Hydook Racing Team has been in existence for only one year, and inevitably our first season has constituted a learning period. But we said at the outset that we meant business and were not interested in merely making up the numbers," said Anton Bosevic.

by **MinardiFan95** » 19 Feb 2012, 21:10

F1RWRS Monthly wrote:Simpson undecided on engine supplier, BMW or Aston Martin?
The F2RWRS' smallest team at the moment is Simpson Motorsports, the currently small team run by Dave Simpson, who haven't yet finalised engine deals for next season, however are rumoured to be resigning with BMW, who Simpson has long been associated with, or changing to Aston Martin, which would fit in with their Gulf sponsorship. Simpson Motorsports are expected to ramp up their effort in 2015, with major facility changes to go with their planned F1RWRS team and the expected signing of F3RWRS star, Michael Cameron, for next year's F2RWRS.

by **AndreaModa** » 20 Feb 2012, 00:42

Wizzie wrote:Well, the chassis is Lola, Lola and Lola but the engine choices are possibly Holden, Aston Martin, Audi and Gillet. You've got two weeks to decide and remember, your engine choice will actually have a major impact on the rest of the field. Good luck

Erm, Gillet aren't in the running any more Wizzie, and I don't know where Audi have come from either. You've also missed off the application from Triumph, and what happened to BMW?

Also, are we able to 'rename' the chassis as people are doing in the F3RWRS?

by **Stramala** » 20 Feb 2012, 01:27

AndreaModa wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Well, the chassis is Lola, Lola and Lola but the engine choices are possibly Holden, Aston Martin, Audi and Gillet. You've got two weeks to decide and remember, your engine choice will actually have a major impact on the rest of the field. Good luck

Erm, Gillet aren't in the running any more Wizzie, and I don't know where Audi have come from either. You've also missed off the application from Triumph, and what happened to BMW?

And what the hell happened to Lancia too?! Looks like I will have to do a repost so AdrianSutil actually reads the message I directed at him this time...

Mika Salonen wrote:Dear Mr Alexander,

Lancia Competizione Powertrain S.r.L. is aware of your new entry to the 2015 Formula Two Rejects World Race Series. As a British consortium, your team is of great interest to us, as we are promoting a new line of vehicles using our Chrysler brand in the United Kingdom.

In conjunction with this, we would like to offer you a special deal for your engine supply needs for next season's F2RWRS.

We will give you a full supply of engines, free of charge, with the same quality and technical support as our paying customers, should you accept the premise of branding your team "Chrysler Mitie Aviation Racing", including prominent branding of Chrysler logos on both your cars.

In this scenario, we would prefer you to have at least one talented British driver in your driver line-up for 2015, however this request is flexible according to what suits best for the team.

Please consider this proposal and get back to us when you have evaluated your options. I hope we can forge a long partnership together in the F2RWRS with the Chrysler marque.

Yours faithfully,

Mika Salonen
Managing Director, Lancia Competizione Powertrain S.r.L

by **AdrianSutil** » 20 Feb 2012, 02:55

Like I said, I haven't realised I had a spot for a while.

Dear Mr Salonen,

Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding your offer to support us in our debut season within F2RWRS. As of yet, we have not reached an agreement with any supplier for 2015, and are still in the early stages of development.
As such, we cannot accept your offer at this time. Please understand that there are several available partnerships out there, and we do not wish to make a hasty decision. The re-branding of our F2RWRS team and the hiring of a British talent would not be a problem, as long as said British driver is Ashley Lilly, as we have already signed him for 2015 with an option for 2016.
We are evaluating all possible options to us right now, and would appreciate your patience until we make a final decision. This will be made within 2-3 days.

May I point out, we are, as a team, delighted a respected company has singled us out for an 'exclusive' offer, and this will be of utmost improtance when choosing our supplier for 2015. Once again, thank you for your offer.

Yours Sincerely,

Mr. Alexander, MA-Racing Team Principal.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 20 Feb 2012, 06:55

AndreaModa wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Well, the chassis is Lola, Lola and Lola but the engine choices are possibly Holden, Aston Martin, Audi and Gillet. You've got two weeks to decide and remember, your engine choice will actually have a major impact on the rest of the field. Good luck

Erm, Gillet aren't in the running any more Wizzie, and I don't know where Audi have come from either. You've also missed off the application from Triumph, and what happened to BMW?

Also, are we able to 'rename' the chassis as people are doing in the F3RWRS?

Audi came from appeasing Mr McAllister at Rising Ashes but he's been AWOL ever since. BMW can't sign on one of the three new teams as part of the selection process.

And the Triumph application has just been rejected on the basis that I honestly don't believe any of the established teams will sign them up (Plus it's technically an underhanded way of getting past the selection criteria).

by **AndreaModa** » 20 Feb 2012, 07:44

That's all well and good Wizzie, and I don't have a problem with who is selected at the end of the day, but you need to start announcing these things properly, because that's the first I've heard about Audi being included, and also about Triumph's application being turned down.

Jones Racing will stick with BMW engines with this information now having come to light. Again, I'd like to enquire if we're going down the route of re-naming chassis like the F3RWRS, or are we sticking to the one make chassis formula like 2014?

Website · by **Wizzie** » 20 Feb 2012, 08:00

I just told you BMW can't be signed on by the new teams :lol:

by **AndreaModa** » 20 Feb 2012, 08:13

Well that's just dumb then. I don't want Lancia engines (for obvious in-game reasons) and I don't want Holden engines because of the conflict of interest I raised before, so what choice do I have? That's a pretty crap deal to be honest.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 20 Feb 2012, 08:15

There's Aston Martin and possibly Audi depending on how long Phoenix is AWOL for.

by **Stramala** » 20 Feb 2012, 08:16

AndreaModa wrote:Well that's just dumb then. I don't want Lancia engines (for obvious in-game reasons) and I don't want Holden engines because of the conflict of interest I raised before, so what choice do I have? That's a pretty crap deal to be honest.

Aston Martin. And actually, Hydook are kind of dependant on you picking Aston, as if they don't get one of the new teams they kicked kicked out of the championship! (As an engine manufacturer, obviously. I'm not suggesting Marchesi will be unemployed at the end of the year).

Website · by **Wizzie** » 20 Feb 2012, 08:17

Speaking of which, I'm thinking about putting Marchesi in the second MRT for next year

by **Stramala** » 20 Feb 2012, 08:40

Wizzie wrote:Speaking of which, I'm thinking about putting Marchesi in the second MRT for next year

Who the heck owns Marchesi anyway? It's not Jeremy is it? I'm not sure I've seen "Marchesi" posting anything in here ever. Either way, stop abusing your power and start negotiating like the rest of us! It's how I managed to secure the services of the best driver in the whole series for the next 3 seasons :mrgreen:

Website · by **Wizzie** » 20 Feb 2012, 10:50

kostas22 wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Speaking of which, I'm thinking about putting Marchesi in the second MRT for next year

Who the heck owns Marchesi anyway? It's not Jeremy is it? I'm not sure I've seen "Marchesi" posting anything in here ever. Either way, stop abusing your power and start negotiating like the rest of us! It's how I managed to secure the services of the best driver in the whole series for the next 3 seasons

I'm pretty sure it is Mr McClean and he offered MRT his services a week ago.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 20 Feb 2012, 15:00

Having just re-read the previous few posts, the F1RWRS Commission will not approve any deal between Lancia and MA Racing for 2015 for the same reason that BMW cannot supply any of the new teams as it would be a direct contravention of the engine tender.

by **AdrianSutil** » 20 Feb 2012, 18:02

Wizzie wrote:Having just re-read the previous few posts, the F1RWRS Commission will not approve any deal between Lancia and MA Racing for 2015 for the same reason that BMW cannot supply any of the new teams as it would be a direct contravention of the engine tender.

Don't want BMW, don't want Lancia. So no problem there :lol:

by **AndreaModa** » 20 Feb 2012, 18:57

Wizzie wrote:Having just re-read the previous few posts, the F1RWRS Commission will not approve any deal between Lancia and MA Racing for 2015 for the same reason that BMW cannot supply any of the new teams as it would be a direct contravention of the engine tender.

I'm assuming that's because Lancia are already supplying another of the new teams? So effectively each new team has to have a different engine supplier to the other two? And that engine can't be BMW, and must already be in the back of an existing team? Bit over-complicated isn't it?!

Website · by **Wizzie** » 20 Feb 2012, 19:17

AndreaModa wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Having just re-read the previous few posts, the F1RWRS Commission will not approve any deal between Lancia and MA Racing for 2015 for the same reason that BMW cannot supply any of the new teams as it would be a direct contravention of the engine tender.

I'm assuming that's because Lancia are already supplying another of the new teams? So effectively each new team has to have a different engine supplier to the other two? And that engine can't be BMW, and must already be in the back of an existing team? Bit over-complicated isn't it?!

It's perfectly logical... in my mind :lol:

by **AdrianSutil** » 20 Feb 2012, 21:12

Might be having a dumb moment here, but what engines CAN I choose? Aston Martin, Audi and Chrysler seem to be the only ones. Unless I've missed another...

by **the Masked Lapwing** » 20 Feb 2012, 21:20

AdrianSutil wrote:Might be having a dumb moment here, but what engines CAN I choose? Aston Martin, Audi and Chrysler seem to be the only ones. Unless I've missed another...

You missed Holden, and you can't have Chrysler because it's a rebadge of Lancia.

by **Stramala** » 20 Feb 2012, 23:29

Wizzie wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Having just re-read the previous few posts, the F1RWRS Commission will not approve any deal between Lancia and MA Racing for 2015 for the same reason that BMW cannot supply any of the new teams as it would be a direct contravention of the engine tender.

I'm assuming that's because Lancia are already supplying another of the new teams? So effectively each new team has to have a different engine supplier to the other two? And that engine can't be BMW, and must already be in the back of an existing team? Bit over-complicated isn't it?!

It's perfectly logical... in my mind

Well, no, actually, you've just gone and created an impossible situation.

Two of the remaining new teams require engines.
There will be three approved manufacturers. BMW and Lancia are already confirmed.
Each new supplier can only supply one of the new teams. This excludes BMW, who aren't allowed to supply any.
This means when one of those new teams gets an engine, and lets say for the purposes of this example it's Aston Martin, the other team now cannot chose BMW, Lancia or Aston Martin, as the two latter suppliers are already supplying new teams and BMW is banned from supplying any new team.
Therefore, one new team is left, unable to select any of the current suppliers, and unable to select a new supplier as the series quota has been filled up.

In conclusion, YOU'RE AN IDIOT. Change these stupid arbitrary rules to something that actually makes sense!

by **AndreaModa** » 21 Feb 2012, 02:04

Autosport wrote:Jones Racing Seeks Aston Martin In Place Of Scuppered Triumph Deal

It has emerged that Sammy Jones' F2RWRS team, Castrol Jones Racing, will run with Aston Martin engines for the 2015 season, after plans to run Triumph engines fell through once the manufacturer was dropped from the tender process.

"I'm a bit annoyed to be quite honest" said a somewhat downbeat Jones, "We were all set to go with what was turning into a promising concept, but the Commission have chosen to disallow the bid from Triumph, so that's that. It doesn't mean we're going to rule out further co-operation in the future, but for the F2RWRS, we're looking forward to working with Aston Martin. They're a great bunch of guys that have done good things with Kremnicky this season, so I've no doubt that they have the skills and expertise to run what will be a very exciting and competitive engine programme. Castrol Jones Racing is delighted to be able to announce that we'll be using Aston Martin engines for the F2RWRS 2015 season."

The remaining MA Junior entry however remains without an engine deal as of the present time, and it is unclear yet whether they'll be able to sign anyone after the new engine rules permit each new entry to sign with a new engine supplier, but only two new suppliers are to be permitted alongside BMW who have been supplying the series from it's inception. When asked about this, Jones had this to say,

"Naturally I think the whole situation is a shambles to be quite honest. I fail to see why the three new entries, of which we are one, cannot sign with BMW whilst the rest of the field can, and instead are forced down an avenue where we're likely to suffer in comparison with untried engines that will require a serious amount of development. Look at the amount of testing last year's BMW engine went through before the season started! We even had a method of circumventing the regulations against using a BMW engine, by using the supply from Triumph, of which BMW are currently in partnership with. We were doing the commission a favour, but still they didn't want to know. I'll be watching the coming events very closely, and if there's a chance we can reverse the current situation, enter into negotiations with MA Junior for the Aston deal, allowing us to form up with Triumph, then I'll definitely take it."

by **Stramala** » 21 Feb 2012, 02:37

Lancia would like to remind all of the existing teams that Lancia has the capacity to supply a further four teams in F2RWRS this season and are looking to expand their engine programme, and that on a regional basis the engines can be rebadged to Chrysler, Dodge or Zastava.

Random Trash Tabloid wrote:UNBELIEVEABLE scenes as Lindsay AGREES with Jones!

In a shock turn of events, Alasdair Lindsay has come out in SUPPORT of his arch rival and F2RWRS co-owner Sammy Jones, agreeing that the engine tender situation is indeed a "shambles".

"Never thought I'd be saying this in my whole life, but I have to agree with Sammy on this," said Alasdair Lindsay. "Who the heck decided these rules? They're impossible! Really, impossible, look at the semantics of it. They've essentially set a linguistic trap in the rules that means MA Racing aren't allowed engines. What are they supposed to do, race a horse and cart? This is a complete joke. And they had the audacity to say I was the one bringing the sport into disrepute! Rubbish...incidents like these prove it is entirely their own doing. And I wasn't even the one to point it out in the first place!"

"Sammy is right on the money with this one. It's a farce. The regulations have trapped MA Racing through no fault of their own. I think we need a new set of rulemakers in place pronto to sort out this mess."

When asked whether he was worried his comments would jeopardise the ongoing CAS case his Scuderia Alitalia team and the RWRS Commission are currently involved in, he gave a bullish reply.

"The CAS case? This has nothing to do with it! I'm not doing anything wrong here, I'm just agreeing with another memeber of the paddock that the rule makers screwed this up."

by **This** » 21 Feb 2012, 06:39

kostas22 wrote:Lancia would like to remind all of the existing teams that Lancia has the capacity to supply a further four teams in F2RWRS this season and are looking to expand their engine programme, and that on a regional basis the engines can be rebadged to Chrysler, Dodge or Zastava.

Don't forget New Holland, one of the more epic members of the fiat-chrysler group

Website · by **Wizzie** » 21 Feb 2012, 07:09

Autosport wrote:Commissioner Apologies, clarifies Engine Tender

The F2RWRS Commissioner has earlier today clarified the criteria of the new engine tender for 2015 and apologised for the confusion the process has caused. "I believed right up until this morning that I had sent out a memo to all interested manufacturers already in the F2RWRS that the tender had been increased to include a third engine supplier for next year several weeks ago. It turns out that I was incorrect in believing that and as a result I'm sorry for the confusion caused as a result." However, the commissioner wasn't backing down on the ruling that BMW couldn't supply any of the new teams for 2015. "While this was based on the incorrect assumption I'd sent the memo out, it'll still be in effect as we believe this is a good way of finding new manufacturers for 2015 and ensuring that new teams have engine suppliers for 2015 without putting extra pressure on BMW who I have heard are already near capacity with the expansion of their F3RWRS customer base. Also, many teams have been deeply unimpressed with the product BMW has given them and this is a way to tell them to get a better product in place or we will start questioning whether we should renew the contract with that at the end of 2016, which is also when the contracts for all the other manufacturers and the chassis manufacturer Lola will be reviewed." Rumour has it that Dallara may be stepping in as early as the end of 2015 to supply cars to teams in the F2RWRS as it's been alleged that the F1RWRS Commission have been unimpressed with the Lola's tendency to become airbourne in an accident.

by **Stramala** » 21 Feb 2012, 07:20

Autosport wrote:Lindsay welcomes Commission clarification

After various reports in the media of Scuderia Jones Italia team principal Alasdair Lindsay fuming at the mix-up regarding the engine tender process, the controversial Scot has spoken out in support of the F2RWRS commission.

"This is good news," he said. "It's good to see the Commission finally putting BMW under the cosh. They've got to show they deserve to be here. The same goes for Lola, and even if Lola stay I hope the Commission consider any tender offer from Dallara for the 2016 season. They've been a great technical partner to us in the F3RWRS and we hope to increase the scope of our co-operation."

The new Scuderia Alitalia team being set-up for 2016 will be supplied by Lancia, one of the new manufacturers, and their Managing Director of the sporting division was looking forward to the challenge of an additional rival manufacturer.

"This is a positive development for the sport," said Mika Salonen. "Now with Aston Martin announcing they will be joining, and that there will be another marque yet to come, it seems Lancia will have plenty of rivals to showcase its technology against. We look forward to the challenge lying ahead of us."

by **AdrianSutil** » 21 Feb 2012, 09:57

Mitie Aviation pleased with support.

Mr.Alexander today thanked those who have come out in a show of support over the engine ruling for 2015. "Whilst both Sammy Jones and Alasdair Lyndsey haven't exactly been the best people to be around, I'm thankful for their support."
It seems Mitie Aviation have hit a stumbling block with the engine choices, which at one point looked like they wouldn't have a supplier at all. But things seem to be on the up as at least Jones Racing have come forward, saying that support from Aston Martin may allow Mitie to use their engines whilst the deal with Lancia-Chrysler isn't out of the picture yet. "Im still not 100% sure on what we can actually have for 2015", said Mr.Alexander, "but it seems these are the two options we have for the moment."

Website · by **Wizzie** » 21 Feb 2012, 13:15

No, your two options are Holden and the Audi Group.

by **Stramala** » 23 Feb 2012, 08:09

Autosport wrote:EXCLUSIVE: First shots of RonDen Racing Engineering 2015 F2RWRS Car

Autosport has obtained images of the first run of RonDen's new for 2015 F2RWRS machine. Powered by rebadged Lancia engines, the team will make it's debut this season, and this car looks close to being the final spec machine.

A note to This: The only change I'm going to make is downscaling the Lancia logo and moving it slightly to make it look less ugly. And of course, do the slightly modified #29 car. The above is the #28 car Wouter Lamberigts will be driving next season.

by **This** » 23 Feb 2012, 08:18

kostas22 wrote:A note to This: The only change I'm going to make is downscaling the Lancia logo and moving it slightly to make it look less ugly. And of course, do the slightly modified #29 car. The above is the #28 car Wouter Lamberigts will be driving next season.

well it looks good, a good interpretation/variation on what i drawed, except for that oversized Lancia-logo of course

Website · by **Wizzie** » 23 Feb 2012, 14:20

Autosport wrote:F1RWRS Commission announces provisional 2015 testing schedule

The F1RWRS Commission has earlier today announced provisional the testing schedule for the 2015 F2RWRS season. There will be 5 tests held across the entire pre-season, two of which will be exclusively for teams not using BMW engines for 2015. These engine tests are to help the new manufacturers, Aston Martin, Lancia and a yet to be named third one, have extra time to develop their products on the track. The testing schedule is as follows:

1. January 11th-13th, Mexico City, Mexico
2. February 7th-9th, Barcelona, Spain (New manufacturers only)
3. February 12th-13th, Barcelona, Spain
4. February 20th-21st, Jerez, Spain (New manufacturers only)
5. February 28th-March 2nd, Estoril, Portugal

by **Phoenix** » 23 Feb 2012, 21:37

But is Audi inside or not? That is because not running Audi engines might create my team, Aeroracing Engineering, a conflict with the VW Group, which is our partner, because of using engines manufactured by rival companies.

by **Stramala** » 23 Feb 2012, 23:11

Phoenix wrote:But is Audi inside or not? That is because not running Audi engines might create my team, Aeroracing Engineering, a conflict with the VW Group, which is our partner, because of using engines manufactured by rival companies.

Hello? I run the works Lancia team and we had BMW engines this season! Just run an unbranded car or something. And as the representative of Audi in RWRS, it's up to you to convince Mitie Aviation to sign a deal with your manufacturer instead of Holden.

by **AdrianSutil** » 24 Feb 2012, 03:22

I have indeed been waiting for both Audi and Holden to come forward and explain why I should have their engines in my cars. I'm giving both companies until the weekend to make their Interests known.

by **Phoenix** » 24 Feb 2012, 05:49

50% discount on the engine supply sounds good enough for Mitie Aviation?

by **the Masked Lapwing** » 24 Feb 2012, 06:09

I said ages ago what Holden's offer was:

the Masked Lapwing wrote:
Holden shall offer any F2RWRS team who wishes to use the HSV LSF2 engine for the 2015 F2RWRS season:
- 25% discount if HSV or Holden logos are displayed on the engine cover.
- Every team who uses the LSF2 engines shall be supplied with specialist personnel to maintain the engines.
- Rebadging of the engines is not allowed, as the F2RWRS engines, like Holden's F1RWRS and F3RWRS engine programs and racing teams, is not backed by General Motors.
- Engines that fail having completed less than one race distance shall be replaced, free of charge.

Any team who chooses to use the engines shall be able to complete a shakedown test of the new engines at Sandown Raceway in Melbourne, Australia. Any costs including transportation of staff and track hire fees shall be paid for by Holden.

But this why we should be allowed to supply our own engines anyway, because regardless of who AdrianSutil chooses, you'll have at least one very pissed manufacturer who will still have to use BMW, one very pissed off Sammy Jones and a few more slightly less pissed off manufacturers who seemingly didn't bother.

Oh, and a very drunk Alasdair Lindsay, but we get that anyway.

by **Phoenix** » 24 Feb 2012, 06:13

50% discount. Deal or not?

by **AndreaModa** » 24 Feb 2012, 06:18

the Masked Lapwing wrote:But this why we should be allowed to supply our own engines anyway, because regardless of who AdrianSutil chooses, you'll have at least one very pissed manufacturer who will still have to use BMW, one very pissed off Sammy Jones and a few more slightly less pissed off manufacturers who seemingly didn't bother.

Sammy Jones agrees with this statement so much he's printed it out and framed it on his wall! :lol:

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