If things were banned based on aesthetics...

[midgrid]

Did someone mention acid in the context of motorsport?

[tzerof1]

Did someone mention acid in the context of motorsport?

Epic! And check out the names... Larrousse and Kauhsen! A real gem you've shown here

[AdrianSutil]

How about the strange Monaco wings that sprouted on the Jordan and Arrows at the 2001 Monaco Grand Prix. Dont like the Jordans, however the Arrows wing is alright

all in the name of downforce.

[tzerof1]

How about the strange Monaco wings that sprouted on the Jordan and Arrows at the 2001 Monaco Grand Prix. Dont like the Jordans, however the Arrows wing is alright

all in the name of downforce.

I've always wondered how many thousands of pounds were squandered developing those things

[Wizzie]

The Jordan one looks like they stole the teatray from a 1970s F1 car and just stuck it on there

[tzerof1]

The Jordan one looks like they stole the teatray from a 1970s F1 car and just stuck it on there

To quote something Jamie and Enoch said in the 2001 Monaco GP Review on the subject "Luigi Colani of Eifelland fame would have been proud!"

[ibsey]

Didn't like the look of the green lines on the grooves of the Bridgestone soft dry tyres used at Fuji 2008. IMO they were way too over bearing. Especially from the onboard 'T bar' camara view.

[tzerof1]

Didn't like the look of the green lines on the grooves of the Bridgestone soft dry tyres used at Fuji 2008. IMO they were way too over bearing. Especially from the onboard 'T bar' camara view.

Ughhhh don't remind me!

[nome66]

trolololllolololoolol

[FMecha]

How about the strange Monaco wings that sprouted on the Jordan and Arrows at the 2001 Monaco Grand Prix. Dont like the Jordans, however the Arrows wing is alright

all in the name of downforce.

Banned already.

The FIA deemed both devices, which ran in the practice of 2001 Monaco GP (as pictured), were banned after that, on safety grounds.

[tzerof1]

trolololllolololoolol

I don't know what's worse, the stripes or the "dumbo ear" winglets

[mario]

I never really liked the shark fin/F-duct covers. Ruined the appearence of what an F1 car is supposed to look like

I wonder if there was anyone who said something similar when the overhead airboxes started to sprout again in 1987?

Simliarily anyone mentioned the airboxes of the mid 1970’s?

The 1976 Ligier was a personal highlight. Here's a picture;

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=1976+l ... 29,r:1,s:0

That was obviously designed by someone who had taken more than their fair share of acid.

Also when front & rear wings together with the big stalks were 1st introduced to F1 cars in the late 1960’s early 1970’s, how awful did they look?

Although that particular Ligier's airbox might look strange, it was actually very well developed and probably the best design in the field (the team used a fair amount of wind tunnel testing time to perfect the design, and the build quality was reputedly substantially better than most teams). They were criticised for the airbox design, but for a different reason - with the high airboxes being banned after the fourth round that year, many wondered why Ligier had put the resources they did into a design that could only be used for a very short period of time.

[Yannick]

This:

I wonder if Nissan's drivers have a "you fully understand it's a mobile death trap/chicane" clause in their contracts
Hopefully they'll at least have a better livery by the time it reaches Le Mans, even if it only slightly reduces its unflattering appearance.

OMG! Where is the roll bar?!

[tzerof1]

This:

I wonder if Nissan's drivers have a "you fully understand it's a mobile death trap/chicane" clause in their contracts
Hopefully they'll at least have a better livery by the time it reaches Le Mans, even if it only slightly reduces its unflattering appearance.

OMG! Where is the roll bar?!

The roll bar is/are the pointed triangle things above the driver's head and to the right of him. It appears to be enough to meet ACO requirements, but given the propensity for LMP cars to have massive shunts I don't think the driver is protected enough on the sides or the front. Hopefully we won't have to find out how for sure

[IdeFan]

I wonder if Nissan's drivers have a "you fully understand it's a mobile death trap/chicane" clause in their contracts
Hopefully they'll at least have a better livery by the time it reaches Le Mans, even if it only slightly reduces its unflattering appearance.

OMG! Where is the roll bar?!

The roll bar is/are the pointed triangle things above the driver's head and to the right of him. It appears to be enough to meet ACO requirements, but given the propensity for LMP cars to have massive shunts I don't think the driver is protected enough on the sides or the front. Hopefully we won't have to find out how for sure

The "pointed triangle things" roll-over protection is pretty standard on open top LMPs these days, you'll find similar structures on the Wirth-HPDs, Orecas and the old open top Audis. The DeltaWing actually uses the same monocoque as the ill fated Aston Martin AMR-One. I doubt the DW will share LMPs tendencies to take off during shunts because that is caused by the large flat bottomed area of those cars, whereas the area under the DW is much smaller and not at all flat (full ground effect tunnels).

That said, the driver's head does look a little exposed, its much like the F1s of about 5 years ago, before they added the extra head protection, I guess the conventional LMPs (on which this car's cockpit is based) naturally have a lot more side protection and the ACO never felt the need to follow F1's lead on that. I believe the ACO is mandating all LMPs from 2014 onwards to be coupes (which I think looks much better, and technically makes this post on topic!)

As for "mobile chicane" predictions, I highly doubt it. The DW was tested at Sebring the week after the 12 hour race and despite not having a lot of systems online (such as torque vectoring, a major component to make the handling work) it was setting lap times that would have put it at the tail end of LMP2 (read: well ahead of the all the GT cars). I'm not sure they will make their target of laptimes "Between LMP1 and 2" but I reckon they'll be running at the sharp end of LMP2 by Le Mans.

You've got to remember that despite its odd mechanical layout this is still a car that only weighs about 450kg and has full ground effect aerodynamics, so there should be plenty of grip available.

On Topic: If things were banned on aesthetics the cars would look much like they did in the mid 60s, which would be awesome. Racing would probably be better too!

[tzerof1]

The "pointed triangle things" roll-over protection is pretty standard on open top LMPs these days, you'll find similar structures on the Wirth-HPDs, Orecas and the old open top Audis. The DeltaWing actually uses the same monocoque as the ill fated Aston Martin AMR-One. I doubt the DW will share LMPs tendencies to take off during shunts because that is caused by the large flat bottomed area of those cars, whereas the area under the DW is much smaller and not at all flat (full ground effect tunnels).

That said, the driver's head does look a little exposed, its much like the F1s of about 5 years ago, before they added the extra head protection, I guess the conventional LMPs (on which this car's cockpit is based) naturally have a lot more side protection and the ACO never felt the need to follow F1's lead on that. I believe the ACO is mandating all LMPs from 2014 onwards to be coupes (which I think looks much better, and technically makes this post on topic!)

As for "mobile chicane" predictions, I highly doubt it. The DW was tested at Sebring the week after the 12 hour race and despite not having a lot of systems online (such as torque vectoring, a major component to make the handling work) it was setting lap times that would have put it at the tail end of LMP2 (read: well ahead of the all the GT cars). I'm not sure they will make their target of laptimes "Between LMP1 and 2" but I reckon they'll be running at the sharp end of LMP2 by Le Mans.

You've got to remember that despite its odd mechanical layout this is still a car that only weighs about 450kg and has full ground effect aerodynamics, so there should be plenty of grip available.

On Topic: If things were banned on aesthetics the cars would look much like they did in the mid 60s, which would be awesome. Racing would probably be better
too!

Those are all great points you make about the DeltaWing And that Aston Martin bit I didn't know, I find it quite intereting. And as for your appearance predictions that probably wouldn't be too far from the truth and would be quite exciting to see(Possibly competitive HRT anyone? ) And don't worry about being on topic, everything you said was tangentially relevant and this thread would be lesser without it

[Wizzie]

The "pointed triangle things" roll-over protection is pretty standard on open top LMPs these days, you'll find similar structures on the Wirth-HPDs, Orecas and the old open top Audis. The DeltaWing actually uses the same monocoque as the ill fated Aston Martin AMR-One. I doubt the DW will share LMPs tendencies to take off during shunts because that is caused by the large flat bottomed area of those cars, whereas the area under the DW is much smaller and not at all flat (full ground effect tunnels).

That said, the driver's head does look a little exposed, its much like the F1s of about 5 years ago, before they added the extra head protection, I guess the conventional LMPs (on which this car's cockpit is based) naturally have a lot more side protection and the ACO never felt the need to follow F1's lead on that. I believe the ACO is mandating all LMPs from 2014 onwards to be coupes (which I think looks much better, and technically makes this post on topic!)

As for "mobile chicane" predictions, I highly doubt it. The DW was tested at Sebring the week after the 12 hour race and despite not having a lot of systems online (such as torque vectoring, a major component to make the handling work) it was setting lap times that would have put it at the tail end of LMP2 (read: well ahead of the all the GT cars). I'm not sure they will make their target of laptimes "Between LMP1 and 2" but I reckon they'll be running at the sharp end of LMP2 by Le Mans.

You've got to remember that despite its odd mechanical layout this is still a car that only weighs about 450kg and has full ground effect aerodynamics, so there should be plenty of grip available.

On Topic: If things were banned on aesthetics the cars would look much like they did in the mid 60s, which would be awesome. Racing would probably be better
too!

Those are all great points you make about the DeltaWing And that Aston Martin bit I didn't know, I find it quite intereting. And as for your appearance predictions that probably wouldn't be too far from the truth and would be quite exciting to see(Possibly competitive HRT anyone? ) And don't worry about being on topic, everything you said was tangentially relevant and this thread would be lesser without it

Besides, it's F1 Rejects. There's no such thing as on-topic here

[tzerof1]

The "pointed triangle things" roll-over protection is pretty standard on open top LMPs these days, you'll find similar structures on the Wirth-HPDs, Orecas and the old open top Audis. The DeltaWing actually uses the same monocoque as the ill fated Aston Martin AMR-One. I doubt the DW will share LMPs tendencies to take off during shunts because that is caused by the large flat bottomed area of those cars, whereas the area under the DW is much smaller and not at all flat (full ground effect tunnels).

That said, the driver's head does look a little exposed, its much like the F1s of about 5 years ago, before they added the extra head protection, I guess the conventional LMPs (on which this car's cockpit is based) naturally have a lot more side protection and the ACO never felt the need to follow F1's lead on that. I believe the ACO is mandating all LMPs from 2014 onwards to be coupes (which I think looks much better, and technically makes this post on topic!)

As for "mobile chicane" predictions, I highly doubt it. The DW was tested at Sebring the week after the 12 hour race and despite not having a lot of systems online (such as torque vectoring, a major component to make the handling work) it was setting lap times that would have put it at the tail end of LMP2 (read: well ahead of the all the GT cars). I'm not sure they will make their target of laptimes "Between LMP1 and 2" but I reckon they'll be running at the sharp end of LMP2 by Le Mans.

You've got to remember that despite its odd mechanical layout this is still a car that only weighs about 450kg and has full ground effect aerodynamics, so there should be plenty of grip available.

On Topic: If things were banned on aesthetics the cars would look much like they did in the mid 60s, which would be awesome. Racing would probably be better
too!

Those are all great points you make about the DeltaWing And that Aston Martin bit I didn't know, I find it quite intereting. And as for your appearance predictions that probably wouldn't be too far from the truth and would be quite exciting to see(Possibly competitive HRT anyone? ) And don't worry about being on topic, everything you said was tangentially relevant and this thread would be lesser without it

Besides, it's F1 Rejects. There's no such thing as on-topic here

I second that remark

[Waris]

There should not be the rule that Le Mans cars should be two-seaters. I think that DeltaWing looks awful as a two-seater, and so do all the open-cockpit prototypes.

[WeirdKerr]

There should not be the rule that Le Mans cars should be two-seaters. I think that DeltaWing looks awful as a two-seater, and so do all the open-cockpit prototypes.

id like to see 2 people in that car......

[Cynon]

There should not be the rule that Le Mans cars should be two-seaters. I think that DeltaWing looks awful as a two-seater, and so do all the open-cockpit prototypes.

id like to see 2 people in that car......

One of whom steers while the other handles the throttle and the brake!

Gives an opportunity for a paraplegic like Alex Zanardi to drive one of those!

[eurobrun]

There should not be the rule that Le Mans cars should be two-seaters. I think that DeltaWing looks awful as a two-seater, and so do all the open-cockpit prototypes.

id like to see 2 people in that car......

One of whom steers while the other handles the throttle and the brake!

Gives an opportunity for a paraplegic like Alex Zanardi to drive one of those!

For some reason that reminds me of one of the challenges in the top gear England vs Germany special.

[dj_vicious]

After many years, I'd have to say the T-cams on top of the airboxes need to go. Surely they could implement something smaller because I think they ruin part of the cars' elegance. I suppose they aren't as bad as the ones pre-1998; the massive pillar towering over the car.

That said, as long as they don't decide to use the hideous ones the Indycar series uses.

[tzerof1]

After many years, I'd have to say the T-cams on top of the airboxes need to go. Surely they could implement something smaller because I think they ruin part of the cars' elegance. I suppose they aren't as bad as the ones pre-1998; the massive pillar towering over the car.

That said, as long as they don't decide to use the hideous ones the Indycar series uses.

Maybe they could use the lipstick style cameras that they use in the mirrors. Just a thought...