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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby AdrianSutil » 26 Mar 2012, 17:09

Dan B wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:2. Narain Karthikeyan - What were you thinking when you took out Button's front wing?

That was Button's fault, not Karthikeyan's. Button admitted it.

Agreed completely. Are some people on here Wearing blinkers all the time? THE SLOW GUYS ARE NOT ALWAYS AT FAULT PEOPLE!!
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby CoopsII » 26 Mar 2012, 17:52

AdrianSutil wrote:
Dan B wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:2. Narain Karthikeyan - What were you thinking when you took out Button's front wing?

That was Button's fault, not Karthikeyan's. Button admitted it.

Agreed completely. Are some people on here Wearing blinkers all the time? THE SLOW GUYS ARE NOT ALWAYS AT FAULT PEOPLE!!

Vettel, the driver who in a Toro Rosso punted off Mark Webbers Red Bull, has been giving Narain some abuse too. It was a racing incident.
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby jackanderton » 26 Mar 2012, 18:11

Massa

Tempted with Grosjean but the disparity between his and Alonso's performance is embarrassing.

Even if Massa was the number one driver, there's no way Alonso would a)stand for this quality of car b)be that far behind.
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby BlindCaveSalamander » 26 Mar 2012, 20:15

CoopsII wrote:Yeah, hes falling into the same irritating behviour pattern exhibited by Hamilton not so long ago, he needs to get a grip. Tough times maketh the man; they did for Button, they are doing for Alonso and Im not sure if it has for Hamilton but we'll find out this year I reckon.


Let's be fair - Karthikeyan just made an error and was a lap down at the time. he really had nothing to lose by backing off slightly, and Grosjean got stick last week for similar contact with Maldonado which put him out.
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby fjackdaw » 26 Mar 2012, 20:20

fjackdaw wrote:What happened to Massa and Rosberg? One minute they both seemed to be in the points, the next they were both near the back and stayed there. I only saw the highlights, was there an incident we didn't see? Also, what happened to KK?


Anyone know?
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby Shizuka » 26 Mar 2012, 20:21

KK had a brake failure.
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby Ferrim » 26 Mar 2012, 20:31

I've got to handle it to Grosjean, but Massa is deserving of one and I'm not sure if we are going to have many more chances. Either his performance seriously improves or he will be sacked very soon.

He's certainly leading the race for ROTY.
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby James1978 » 26 Mar 2012, 21:13

Actually the Vettel/Karthikeyan incident reminded me of Senna/Schlesser at Monza '88 where the front runner seemingly thought the backmarker would just disappear, and the only way to avoid contact was to have driven off the road or stopped!
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby Ferrim » 26 Mar 2012, 21:31

I'm reading some opinions about how the result was "fixed" and now I feel tempted to nominate people saying Pérez went off the track because of team orders. But given that I always believed that the conspiracy around Piquet's crash was BS, and in the end I was proven wrong... :/
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby DanielPT » 26 Mar 2012, 21:47

fjackdaw wrote:
fjackdaw wrote:What happened to Massa and Rosberg? One minute they both seemed to be in the points, the next they were both near the back and stayed there. I only saw the highlights, was there an incident we didn't see? Also, what happened to KK?


Anyone know?


It was just poor race pace. Rosberg run in 4th for a while and then he just started being overtaken. In a few laps Vettel, Raikkonen and Webber got ahead and then he managed to hold off Di Resta. Feeling that his rubber was getting used he then pitted for fresh inters only to find out that after 2 laps on them he wasn't faster than the others on old inters. Same happened with Massa and Button. As for Massa, well, even with this extra pit stop, he never had the chance of points. He just run at the back, did a couple of mistakes and was generally poor.
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby tommykl » 27 Mar 2012, 00:33

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Yeah, hes falling into the same irritating behviour pattern exhibited by Hamilton not so long ago, he needs to get a grip. Tough times maketh the man; they did for Button, they are doing for Alonso and Im not sure if it has for Hamilton but we'll find out this year I reckon.


Let's be fair - Karthikeyan just made an error and was a lap down at the time. he really had nothing to lose by backing off slightly, and Grosjean got stick last week for similar contact with Maldonado which put him out.

But the problem there isn't about whose responsibility it was in the incident, but rather about Vettel's unnecessary reaction to it. He got some of the stick for his accident in Japan in 2007, yet Webber didn't go crying to the media about how Vettel ruined his race.
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby Ed24 » 27 Mar 2012, 00:39

tommykl wrote:He got some of the stick for his accident in Japan in 2007, yet Webber didn't go crying to the media about how Vettel ruined his race.


Er...

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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby tommykl » 27 Mar 2012, 01:14

Ed24 wrote:
tommykl wrote:He got some of the stick for his accident in Japan in 2007, yet Webber didn't go crying to the media about how Vettel ruined his race.


Er...

"Well it's kids, isn't it? Kids with not enough experience, doing a good job then they f**k it all up."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvL20cuGY2I

That was five years ago, I didn't remember. Cut me some slack, OK? :oops:
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby DanielPT » 27 Mar 2012, 01:24

tommykl wrote:
Ed24 wrote:
tommykl wrote:He got some of the stick for his accident in Japan in 2007, yet Webber didn't go crying to the media about how Vettel ruined his race.


Er...

"Well it's kids, isn't it? Kids with not enough experience, doing a good job then they f**k it all up."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvL20cuGY2I

That was five years ago, I didn't remember. Cut me some slack, OK? :oops:


Well, you can say that at least Webber didn't called Vettel an idiot, only inexperienced. And he could've done it. Vettel is not that mature champion that he was last year for me. He is back to his kid ways...
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby QuickYoda41 » 27 Mar 2012, 01:28

Well, Massa is on his way for a ROTY - I don't think anyone was ever this close to this title after only 2 races. :lol: Red flag decision - ehh, getting used to it.

But my nominee: Jenson Button - Crashing into an HRT while trying to overtake it. :shock: (Ok, it happened once before, but Trulli at least wasn't driving the fastest car of the field at that time and that was in Monaco.)
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby Aerond » 27 Mar 2012, 01:49

For me it´s hands down to Grosjean; The guy managed to ruin Schumacher´s race and then binned it in just 5 minutes of racing; and that´s for the second time in a row.
Some may argue about Massa; Ok, Massa was downright poor, but at least he was in the points before the lack of pace in a drying track swallowed his efforts in the wet.
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby BlindCaveSalamander » 27 Mar 2012, 06:30

tommykl wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Yeah, hes falling into the same irritating behviour pattern exhibited by Hamilton not so long ago, he needs to get a grip. Tough times maketh the man; they did for Button, they are doing for Alonso and Im not sure if it has for Hamilton but we'll find out this year I reckon.


Let's be fair - Karthikeyan just made an error and was a lap down at the time. he really had nothing to lose by backing off slightly, and Grosjean got stick last week for similar contact with Maldonado which put him out.

But the problem there isn't about whose responsibility it was in the incident, but rather about Vettel's unnecessary reaction to it. He got some of the stick for his accident in Japan in 2007, yet Webber didn't go crying to the media about how Vettel ruined his race.


In all honesty, I would've reacted much the same had I been in Vettel's position.
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby Wizzie » 27 Mar 2012, 13:48

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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby golic_2004 » 28 Mar 2012, 10:52

Massa for being just 15th when Alonso won. But if you also look both Glock AND Pic are ahead of him in the standings. Epic Fail
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby eytl » 30 Mar 2012, 21:17

Well, it's official decision time, and ROTR for Malaysia goes to ... the man with no vowel in his name. Yep, Rrrrrmmmmmmnnnnn Grrrrrrjjjjjjjnnnnnnn.

If I may say so myself, I've been pleasantly surprised by how the 12 stories I picked out in the season preview as being the stories to watch this season have pretty much all started playing out in the first two races.

We've had Webber and Schumi in much better form and outqualifying Vettel and Rosberg twice. We already have the pressure being absolutely piled on Felipe Massa. The Toro Rosso drivers are already playing tit-for-tat. The Force India guys are still having trouble chaining a weekend together and so constantly one's up and the other's down. And Bruno Senna has responded to Pastor Maldonado's good form with that simply sensational drive at Sepang and a 6th place that made up for The Reverend's last-lap boo-boo in Melbourne.

But I must say, predicting that Romain Grosjean could be a surprise packet this year was a bit of a "hit and hope" prediction. For him to do as well as he has done in qualifying has been a genuinely pleasant little shock. Which in turn has made his inability to stay out of trouble in both races so far particularly disappointing. I still think the clash with Maldonado in Melbourne was more his fault. At Sepang, tangling with Schumi was definitely his fault, and then he threw it off the road in the tricky conditions when everyone else managed to stay on ... and when Narain Karthikeyan even climbed into the points.

These were two golden opportunities for Grosjean to strike whilst Raikkonen was still getting back into the swing of things, and when Kimi was disadvantaged by his Q1 disaster in Melbourne and the grid penalty in Sepang. Romain may well rue his inability to capitalise.
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Re: ROTR Malaysia 2012

Postby SuperAguri » 03 Apr 2012, 08:45

I think Grosjean just had some bad luck, there were other drivers screaming me me me...

So mine (very late....)

1 - Massa - Slow, slow, useless. I have a horrible feeling that Perez and Massa will be doing a driver swap next year...
2 - Mercedes - Can't seem to turn qualifying into points, reminds me of Toyota...
3 - Vettel - Acted like a big baby after the race.
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