The Formula 1 Rejects Teams Association (F1RTA) Thread

[Aerond]

Montreal is in the pipeline for next year already.

As other tracks to take a look at are:

- A1 Ring
- Kyalami 80´s
- Elkhart Lake (not really that feasible now as I don´t think we´ll leave Long Beach)

I´ll gladly check out Istanbul Park as a possible circuit too.

[Stramala]

A1 Ring. I expect chaos at Turn 1

[Klon]

- A1 Ring

Enter annoying nitpick mode: it's called Red Bull Ring now.

Although I'd love to see it on the calendar - if it gets added can we piss off Austrians by calling the race the Bavarian Grand Prix?

[dr-baker]

A1 Ring. I expect chaos at Turn 1

Didn't Mika Hakkinen and David Coulthard collide at turn two one year there? And in TOCA Race Driver, I find turn 2 tricky as it's tight and blind...

[AdrianSutil]

A1 Ring. I expect chaos at Turn 1

Didn't Mika Hakkinen and David Coulthard collide at turn two one year there? And in TOCA Race Driver, I find turn 2 tricky as it's tight and blind...

1998. DC went from last to 2nd by the end.

[Stramala]

I have a proposal to the F1RTA & F1RWRS Commission.

I am considering starting a GTRWRS, running as a support race to F1/F2/F3RWRS at several grand prix. It would be run in similar fashion to the Trackmania Rejects Rally Championship, i.e. driver owners would actually be doing the driving themselves rather than having it simulated. This is in no way a concrete statement the series is ready to go, just a sort of survey of opinion.

The championship would have manufacturer teams, with current RWRS teams along with anyone else that is interested able to take the reins of one team of each manufacturer, with said team having two cars each. The GTRWRS is a complilation of different GT & Touring Car formats from around the world merged into one. The manufacturers & teams are as follows;

ALFA ROMEO (155 V6 TI DTM)
Martini Racing and Selenia Corse

MERCEDES (CLK DTM)
HWA AMG and Vodafone HWA

AUDI (TT-R DTM)
Red Bull Abt Sportsline and Abt Sportsline Junior Team

HOLDEN (Commodore V8 Supercar)
Toll Holden Racing Team and Jack Daniels Kelly Racing

FORD (Falcon V8 Supercar)
Caltex Stone Brothers Racing and Shell Helix Dick Johnson Racing

HONDA (NSX-R JGTC)
Castrol Mugen Racing and Takata Dome Racing

TOYOTA (Supra JGTC)
DENSO Sard Racing and Castrol Tom's Racing

NISSAN (GTR R35 JGTC)
Nismo Racing and Calsonic Impul Racing

This allows for a capacity of 34 drivers, which, if somehow this isn't enough, can be expaned by adding third cars to each team.

If there is not enough interest in the series I am not going to bother running it, otherwise I may consider starting it up during the RWRS off-season, to run alongside the other RWRS sanctioned events in 2015.

[tommykl]

I could potentially be interested, but what game would be used?

[Stramala]

I could potentially be interested, but what game would be used?

Notice how I said TRACKMANIA in the post above. So that. Like I said, ran in the same manner as the TMRRC.

[AndreaModa]

I could potentially be interested, but what game would be used?

Notice how I said TRACKMANIA in the post above. So that. Like I said, ran in the same manner as the TMRRC.

But can you get tracks like Long Beach, Spa, Monza, etc on TrackMania? I thought it was all about crazy jumps and totally unrealistic track layouts?

[Stramala]

I could potentially be interested, but what game would be used?

Notice how I said TRACKMANIA in the post above. So that. Like I said, ran in the same manner as the TMRRC.

But can you get tracks like Long Beach, Spa, Monza, etc on TrackMania? I thought it was all about crazy jumps and totally unrealistic track layouts?

You can get anything on Trackmania. Not necessarily a 100% exact replica, because you're using preset block pieces, and it will LOOK nothing like any of the locations because of the default setting, but there are still lots of real life tracks out there. And I can build any from scratch myself that don't exist on TMX already. I've already done a Spa, Albert Park and Monza of my own, others can be done easily.

[AndreaModa]

Fair enough, well I'd possibly be interested in that then, particularly seeing as all the complex jumps and acrobatics wouldn't be a part of it all!

[the Masked Lapwing]

I DEMAND the HRT Commodore!

[Pointrox]

I approve of GTRWRS and I'll sure submit my entry when it will start.

TBH I also had new series in mind, but since I'm currently trying to make F1R Masters work, this won't be happening anytime soon.
I've been thinking of a more sim-like, more oldschool version of TRRC. I called it Rejects Rally Challenge (RRC).
I'd use Colin McRae Rally 2.0 with some mods (new cars and tracks). Other than that, the idea would be identical to TRRC.
But as I said, F1R Masters is underway and I don't want to fail again - especially with all the stuff I am preparing - so RRC is not one of my priorities for now

[MinardiFan95]

I think that if we're going to run a driver skill based championship, rather than a completely simulated championship, with a sim-like game, then we'd have to use a free-to-play racing sim such as Auto Club Revolution or SimRaceWay, as I don't think that everyone with a driver/team in the RWRS would want to buy a game that they probably wouldn't play otherwise. Then again, both of the aforementioned games don't have many tracks, and only one car is free (in the case of ACR it's an Opel Corsa OPC, and in SRW it's a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X).

[Wizzie]

Montreal is in the pipeline for next year already.

As other tracks to take a look at are:

- A1 Ring
- Kyalami 80´s
- Elkhart Lake (not really that feasible now as I don´t think we´ll leave Long Beach)

I´ll gladly check out Istanbul Park as a possible circuit too.

A1 Ring falls into the same category as Jerez. Except with less chaos.

I'll report back to you on my findings for Kyalami and Elkhart Lake for next year. FOr the record, I'm using the 1993 version of the track

[Klon]

A1 Ring falls into the same category as Jerez. Except with less chaos.

I'll report back to you on my findings for Kyalami and Elkhart Lake for next year. FOr the record, I'm using the 1993 version of the track

GP4 =/= GP2

I'd guess Sepang races may be exciting in GP4 (or not) but I can tell you that much that an F1RWRS race in Malaysia would be the prime example of boredom. Just an example, so be careful of judging GP2 tracks by GP4 standards.

[Wizzie]

A1 Ring falls into the same category as Jerez. Except with less chaos.

I'll report back to you on my findings for Kyalami and Elkhart Lake for next year. FOr the record, I'm using the 1993 version of the track

GP4 =/= GP2

I'd guess Sepang races may be exciting in GP4 (or not) but I can tell you that much that an F1RWRS race in Malaysia would be the prime example of boredom.

Malaysia's average on GP4 at best. Interestingly enough, Suzuka is a real hit and miss track on GP4 with some races being crackers and some being mind numbingly boring with no inherent pattern whatsoever.

[Stramala]

I think that if we're going to run a driver skill based championship, rather than a completely simulated championship, with a sim-like game, then we'd have to use a free-to-play racing sim such as Auto Club Revolution or SimRaceWay, as I don't think that everyone with a driver/team in the RWRS would want to buy a game that they probably wouldn't play otherwise. Then again, both of the aforementioned games don't have many tracks, and only one car is free (in the case of ACR it's an Opel Corsa OPC, and in SRW it's a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X).

Trackmania is free & has unlimited tracks and cars...

[Klon]

Tropico Grand Prix powered by CR Motorsport presents yet another minor change to the F1RWRS ruleset as part of the "We are not Formula One - we broke the chain, dammit!" campaign:

Entry Numbers

- Tropico Grand Prix powered by CR Motorsport proposes for introduction either directly after the North Sea Grand Prix or for the 2015 season

going back to the 2010-2012 system of giving out the #13.
retiring the #9 to honour both the retirement and the F1RWRS career of the first F1RWRS World Champion Gary Cameron.

To demonstrate the effect of said changes, here is the 2014 entry list with that MO:

1 Mark Dagnall
2 Ben Fleet

3 Aurelien Moll
4 Thomas De Bock

5 Rhys Davies
6 Dean O'Lauchlan

7 Sammy Jones
8 Daniel Melrose

10 Daniel Martins
11 Mirko Bosevic

12 Shinbou Katayama
13 Kay Lon

14 Fredo Mestolio
15 Jesus Plaza

...

[Warren Hughes]

Klon, I'd call that 'change for change's sake', although that doesn't necessarily mean I'm against it. However, if you are proposing to retire a number, I think it would be more appropriate to retire the number that Dave McFaste was driving in his last race.

[the Masked Lapwing]

Klon, I'd call that 'change for change's sake', although that doesn't necessarily mean I'm against it. However, if you are proposing to retire a number, I think it would be more appropriate to retire the number that Dave McFaste was driving in his last race.

Which if I recal correctly, was actually #9 anyway

Although I agree with bringing back #13.

[Stramala]

Klon, I'd call that 'change for change's sake', although that doesn't necessarily mean I'm against it. However, if you are proposing to retire a number, I think it would be more appropriate to retire the number that Dave McFaste was driving in his last race.

Which if I recal correctly, was actually #9 anyway

Although I agree with bringing back #13.

Scuderia Alitalia only endorses the reinstatement of #13 if #17 gets canned

[AndreaModa]

I'm all for using #13, but retiring numbers will just start making things confusing I think.

[JeremyMcClean]

The #13 should be up to the team who gets it. In simple words, the team who gets the #13 can decide on whether or not to use the number. Some think it's lucky, others think it's not. Personally, I'd run far, far away from it.

[Stramala]

The #13 should be up to the team who gets it. In simple words, the team who gets the #13 can decide on whether or not to use the number. Some think it's lucky, others think it's not. Personally, I'd run far, far away from it.

Again, if this is allowed, Scuderia Alitalia reserves the right to refuse #17 on the same grounds should this ever happen.

[Klon]

Again, if this is allowed, Scuderia Alitalia reserves the right to refuse #17 on the same grounds should this ever happen.

Why? Just because Sammy Jones and Kay Lon each had that number for some time?

[Stramala]

Again, if this is allowed, Scuderia Alitalia reserves the right to refuse #17 on the same grounds should this ever happen.

Why? Just because Sammy Jones and Kay Lon each had that number for some time?

17 > XVII > VIXI > Latin for 'My life is finished', or something along those lines. A very unlucky number in Italy.

[AndreaModa]

Pull yourself together man! You're Scottish! This sort of pansy rubbish shouldn't scare you!

[Stramala]

Tidying up a loose end;

SCUDERIA ALITALIA S.p.A. ACQUIRED BY IL BARONE RAMPANTE S.r.L.

With the brand Scuderia Alitalia no longer suitable for the brand's diversifying racing programme, a senior company has been formed and registered, acquiring Scuderia Alitalia in its entirity and changing the business into a private company, Il Barone Rampante S.r.L. The new company will continue to run Scuderia Alitalia and Parma Corse teams as per normal.

I figured it was a bit weird to have a sponsor as the name of my team, so finally got round to correcting it, just in case Wizzie decides to steal my title sponsor AGAIN

[FMecha]

Tidying up a loose end;

SCUDERIA ALITALIA S.p.A. ACQUIRED BY IL BARONE RAMPANTE S.r.L.

With the brand Scuderia Alitalia no longer suitable for the brand's diversifying racing programme, a senior company has been formed and registered, acquiring Scuderia Alitalia in its entirity and changing the business into a private company, Il Barone Rampante S.r.L. The new company will continue to run Scuderia Alitalia and Parma Corse teams as per normal.

I figured it was a bit weird to have a sponsor as the name of my team, so finally got round to correcting it, just in case Wizzie decides to steal my title sponsor AGAIN

Is Lindasay still managing? And yeah, the title-sponsor theft is clearly uneccessary.

[Wizzie]

Tidying up a loose end;

SCUDERIA ALITALIA S.p.A. ACQUIRED BY IL BARONE RAMPANTE S.r.L.

With the brand Scuderia Alitalia no longer suitable for the brand's diversifying racing programme, a senior company has been formed and registered, acquiring Scuderia Alitalia in its entirity and changing the business into a private company, Il Barone Rampante S.r.L. The new company will continue to run Scuderia Alitalia and Parma Corse teams as per normal.

I figured it was a bit weird to have a sponsor as the name of my team, so finally got round to correcting it, just in case Wizzie decides to steal my title sponsor AGAIN

Is Lindasay still managing? And yeah, the title-sponsor theft is clearly uneccessary.

I'll get back to you when I can think of a response that WON'T get me banned by the F1RWRS Commission

[Stramala]

Tidying up a loose end;

SCUDERIA ALITALIA S.p.A. ACQUIRED BY IL BARONE RAMPANTE S.r.L.

With the brand Scuderia Alitalia no longer suitable for the brand's diversifying racing programme, a senior company has been formed and registered, acquiring Scuderia Alitalia in its entirity and changing the business into a private company, Il Barone Rampante S.r.L. The new company will continue to run Scuderia Alitalia and Parma Corse teams as per normal.

I figured it was a bit weird to have a sponsor as the name of my team, so finally got round to correcting it, just in case Wizzie decides to steal my title sponsor AGAIN

Is Lindasay still managing? And yeah, the title-sponsor theft is clearly uneccessary.

Alasdair Lindsay is CEO of the new company but due to his settlement as part of the Article 15.4c Case, Andrea Sassetti has been promoted to Team Principal for Scuderia Alitalia. Zoran Stefanovic remains Team Principal for the REECCS team, and Alasdair Lindsay will take over responsibility for Parma Corse, as his ban only applies in F1RWRS and not the entire RWRS structure.

[Wizzie]

MRT would like to bring up the issue of Reject Superlicenses criteria. Since the Formula 1 criteria was removed, Mr Melrose has been less than impressed (Read: Ab. So. Lutely. Furious!) with the dilemma that has caused with Mr Nathan McKane wanting to join the category for 2015. Therefore, MRT will like to propose that instead of rewriting the criteria to have it reintroduced as a qualification, we'll like to see Superlicenses granted to both Mr McKane and Mr Ayrton Vasser on the back of their Formula One results (Plus, they don't seem like people that would exploit F1 2010/2011's obvious flaws to further help their cause )

[AndreaModa]

I'm still not sure on this one. I'm not accusing either of foul play whatsoever, but what's the point of having the feeder series?

For example I have a slot left in the five driver limit, and I have a driver, name John Smith who's won four F1 titles in the past six years. Smith fancies a seat at Mitie Aviation, so if we amend the superlicense criteria, what's to stop him being hired? Are you going to be the one saying to a new member - "no, you can't enter because those results are clearly OTT" or are you just going to let them all in? The whole point of the feeder series was to get drivers going through that rather than just walking into the F1RWRS from F1, and it's just not fair for members who have entered their drivers into the lower categories, only to be trumped by late starters, who will need representative stats to reflect their multiple F1 titles, and take up seats in the series that should be available to promoted drivers.

If we let them in, we might as well do away with the superlicense criteria. We either stick to rules, or we don't.

[dr-baker]

Look, this situation about letting F1 drivers in. Would it be acceptable that new drivers without F1 experience have to start at F3RWRS level and work through F2RWRS to F1RWRS, while those with F1 experience have to do at least one full season at F2RWRS level first before promotion?

[Stramala]

I agree with AndreaModa. F1 should count for nothing. As far as I am concerned, for a driver to be eligible for a superlicense they must have competed in a multi-player F1 Rejects series (not necessarily an RWRS one). Solo careers should be excluded.

[Wizzie]

I'm still not sure on this one. I'm not accusing either of foul play whatsoever, but what's the point of having the feeder series?

On the contrary, a driver that spends three years in the F2RWRS would acquire 90 experience points for both qualifying and the race which is already a 90 credit saving for teams in the F1RWRS on driver development costs. Also, if said driver was to finish 4th twice and 5th once under the present credit system during that time, the team he signs for would get a further 125 credits up front, which is nothing to sneeze at."

[AdrianSutil]

I agree with AndreaModa. F1 should count for nothing. As far as I am concerned, for a driver to be eligible for a superlicense they must have competed in a multi-player F1 Rejects series (not necessarily an RWRS one). Solo careers should be excluded.

If my opinion counts for anything, I agree 100% with this.

[Nuppiz]

I agree with AndreaModa. F1 should count for nothing. As far as I am concerned, for a driver to be eligible for a superlicense they must have competed in a multi-player F1 Rejects series (not necessarily an RWRS one). Solo careers should be excluded.

If my opinion counts for anything, I agree 100% with this.

As a supremo of one of the feeder series, I also agree with this, if that vote counts for anything.

[AdrianSutil]

Mr.Alexander would like to raise the discussionon new teams entering the F1RWRS next year (2015).

At the moment we have 20 teams fighting over the 26 grid spots, meaning 7 teams are going home without even attempting the main qualifying session. I understand a few teams are either being closed down altogether or merging wig another due to the new rules. Is there going to be more entries for next year or not?

I'm in support of not having any new teams until the year after (2016) to give those this year that didn't perform well a better chance of starting races next year.