The Formula 1 Rejects Teams Association (F1RTA) Thread

[AndreaModa]

The only person who'll be deciding where Schiller goes is Warren Hughes so I say let's wait and see what he says!

[eurobrun]

The only person who'll be deciding where Schiller goes is Warren Hughes so I say let's wait and see what he says!

This, I made an offer and if he wants to accept that then it's his choice.

[Wizzie]

The only person who'll be deciding where Schiller goes is Warren Hughes so I say let's wait and see what he says!

Agreed. Now, enough of this silly driver lineup nonsense and let's move on to much more important matters, like the F2RWRS driver issue. And again, no, I'm not budging on the credits awarded because it'll defeat the purpose of having a feeder category with non-pay drives with the regulations as they are.

[Wizzie]

And before I forget, the F2RWRS commissioner Tom Douglas would like to raise four points:
1. Does anyone have any suggestions for chassis manufacturers for 2016?
2. I'm thinking of introducing an engine manufacturers cup for 2015 but I'm undecided as to simply use the IndyCar system of taking the best result for each manufacturer or to take the old WRC system and have the manufacturers nominate two cars that'll count for the cup on any given weekend. I'll probably introduce a rule with the second system where any combination cannot be used for more than three races in a row if it's voted as the preferred option
3. Does anyone have any experience with the physics files for GP4? I really want to reduce the car's tendency to become airbourne at the slightly provocation as it's starting to annoy me. Plus it's a massive safety issue as all of you are well aware of.
EDIT: 4. Just before the Nurburgring race, I found how to switch the tyres between Bridgestone and Michelin. Therefore, is anyone game enough for a tyre war in 2016?

[eurobrun]

And before I forget, the F2RWRS commissioner Tom Douglas would like to raise three points:
1. Does anyone have any suggestions for chassis manufacturers for 2016?

Do the chassis manufacturers have to be real?

[Wizzie]

And before I forget, the F2RWRS commissioner Tom Douglas would like to raise three points:
1. Does anyone have any suggestions for chassis manufacturers for 2016?

Do the chassis manufacturers have to be real?

Preferably yes. Or at least have the capacity to supply customer cars ala Jones Racing.

[eurobrun]

And before I forget, the F2RWRS commissioner Tom Douglas would like to raise three points:
1. Does anyone have any suggestions for chassis manufacturers for 2016?

Do the chassis manufacturers have to be real?

Preferably yes. Or at least have the capacity to supply customer cars ala Jones Racing.

Well there goes my idea.

I suggest Swift, judging by their Formula Nippon car they would design something that looked like the Batmobile.

[MinardiFan95]

And before I forget, the F2RWRS commissioner Tom Douglas would like to raise three points:
1. Does anyone have any suggestions for chassis manufacturers for 2016?

Do the chassis manufacturers have to be real?

Preferably yes. Or at least have the capacity to supply customer cars ala Jones Racing.

DeltaWing?

[dr-baker]

And before I forget, the F2RWRS commissioner Tom Douglas would like to raise four points:
1. Does anyone have any suggestions for chassis manufacturers for 2016?
2. I'm thinking of introducing an engine manufacturers cup for 2015 but I'm undecided as to simply use the IndyCar system of taking the best result for each manufacturer or to take the old WRC system and have the manufacturers nominate two cars that'll count for the cup on any given weekend. I'll probably introduce a rule with the second system where any combination cannot be used for more than three races in a row if it's voted as the preferred option
3. Does anyone have any experience with the physics files for GP4? I really want to reduce the car's tendency to become airbourne at the slightly provocation as it's starting to annoy me. Plus it's a massive safety issue as all of you are well aware of.
EDIT: 4. Just before the Nurburgring race, I found how to switch the tyres between Bridgestone and Michelin. Therefore, is anyone game enough for a tyre war in 2016?

EDIT: I was answering the questions as if posulated for F1RWRS ( ), but as I've answered them anyway, there they are...

1. I would love to see the DeltaWing. Foxdale would switch in an instant if it were an option and they had the budget for it!
2. No opinion, other than, who would get to nominate the two drivers? It would have to be some kind of consensus between those running each engine, but what if there were disagreements? Maybe the nominated drivers could be the best-finishing drivers from each engine manufacturer over the previous two or three races, or from the previous year's championship for the start of each season?
3. No, I don't.
4. Yes.

[the Masked Lapwing]

And before I forget, the F2RWRS commissioner Tom Douglas would like to raise four points:
1. Does anyone have any suggestions for chassis manufacturers for 2016?
2. I'm thinking of introducing an engine manufacturers cup for 2015 but I'm undecided as to simply use the IndyCar system of taking the best result for each manufacturer or to take the old WRC system and have the manufacturers nominate two cars that'll count for the cup on any given weekend. I'll probably introduce a rule with the second system where any combination cannot be used for more than three races in a row if it's voted as the preferred option
3. Does anyone have any experience with the physics files for GP4? I really want to reduce the car's tendency to become airbourne at the slightly provocation as it's starting to annoy me. Plus it's a massive safety issue as all of you are well aware of.
EDIT: 4. Just before the Nurburgring race, I found how to switch the tyres between Bridgestone and Michelin. Therefore, is anyone game enough for a tyre war in 2016?

1. The Big Two from the F3RWRS, Dallara and Suzuki.
2. The problem with the WRC system is that my choice will be Simpson/Nash until the fourth race, where it'll be Simpson/whichever Kingfisher driver is better, than Simpson/Nash for three races, and I think you see the pattern developing here
3. Holy crap, something he doesn't know about GP4
4. Something to make it interesting! See if you can't get Dunlop or something, then it'll get really good

[AndreaModa]

I really haven't got anything to add to the debate on promoted F2RWRS drivers. It seems like most people have made their opinions clear and that the matter now needs to be resolved between Aerond and Wizzie. Come on chaps!

As for the latest F2RWRS proposals:

1. Jones Racing are very interested in manufacturing chassis, not only for ourselves, but for customers as well, in the same vein as the F3RWRS where the team has an excellent pedigree having almost won both championships with their first design.

2. I'd prefer the first option which would be easier, less confusing and would require a lot less administration. Easy all round. Plus it would mirror the F3RWRS teams championship system.

3. No, never even played the game myself.

4. Jones Racing supports the introduction of multiple tyre brands, as in RoLFS.

[JeremyMcClean]

And before I forget, the F2RWRS commissioner Tom Douglas would like to raise four points:
1. Does anyone have any suggestions for chassis manufacturers for 2016?
2. I'm thinking of introducing an engine manufacturers cup for 2015 but I'm undecided as to simply use the IndyCar system of taking the best result for each manufacturer or to take the old WRC system and have the manufacturers nominate two cars that'll count for the cup on any given weekend. I'll probably introduce a rule with the second system where any combination cannot be used for more than three races in a row if it's voted as the preferred option
3. Does anyone have any experience with the physics files for GP4? I really want to reduce the car's tendency to become airbourne at the slightly provocation as it's starting to annoy me. Plus it's a massive safety issue as all of you are well aware of.
EDIT: 4. Just before the Nurburgring race, I found how to switch the tyres between Bridgestone and Michelin. Therefore, is anyone game enough for a tyre war in 2016?

1. Two words: Dallara and Lola. Anybody else makes bad customer chassis.

2. Just take the lazy route and use the IndyCar system.

3. You're talking to the person who had trouble with GP2, so, no.

4. God no. The last thing I want is a repeat of USGP 2005.

[SuperAguri]

1 - Prince Falik approves of multiple chassis as he has a shareholding in Zytek and wants to use a Zytek chassis at the first chance he has for Falik Arrows. Although I think there should be a choice betwen Zytek, Ralt, March, Lola, Dallara, Swift, Reynard, Minardi, Merzario and other customers...
4 - Tyres would be nice, although Bridgestone, Michelin, Goodyear, Pirelli, Continental and Avon would be nice...

[AdrianSutil]

Kingfisher Racing has their answers to the four questions:

1. Dallara or Lola. Everyone else is shite.

2. The nominated driver idea could be a headache, so choose a simple option.

3. Haven't got a clue.

4. Yes! Bridgestone, Dunlop, Michelin, Pirelli, Firestone, Goodyear... Get them all in!

[Stramala]

And before I forget, the F2RWRS commissioner Tom Douglas would like to raise four points:
1. Does anyone have any suggestions for chassis manufacturers for 2016?
2. I'm thinking of introducing an engine manufacturers cup for 2015 but I'm undecided as to simply use the IndyCar system of taking the best result for each manufacturer or to take the old WRC system and have the manufacturers nominate two cars that'll count for the cup on any given weekend. I'll probably introduce a rule with the second system where any combination cannot be used for more than three races in a row if it's voted as the preferred option
3. Does anyone have any experience with the physics files for GP4? I really want to reduce the car's tendency to become airbourne at the slightly provocation as it's starting to annoy me. Plus it's a massive safety issue as all of you are well aware of.
EDIT: 4. Just before the Nurburgring race, I found how to switch the tyres between Bridgestone and Michelin. Therefore, is anyone game enough for a tyre war in 2016?

Dallara and Il Barone Rampante are close partners, Il Barone Parco Tecnico has a wing of the main building dedicated to producing the Dallara chassis it uses in house, as well as supplying teams in low level formulae. For this reason we definitely want Dallara to be part of F2RWRS.
2. Lancia agrees with this. While we supply less teams, our engine is very good, so we're eager to go toe to toe with BMW for the title.
3. Nope
4. Pirelli Pirelli Pirelli Pirelli Pirelli!!!

[AndreaModa]

This is a message for DanielPT!

Just a question about your teams, Licor Beirão Portugal Racing (in the F2RWRS) and Porto Wine Motorsport (in the F3RWRS). Do they fall under the same race team, and if so is there a separate overall name for the organisation, or are they two completely different outfits, unrelated to each other? Similarly, does the Sunshine team you've now inherited come under the same ownership of either or both of these teams? Just seeking some clarification for the wiki!

EDIT: this should really be in the wiki thread but oh well!

[Phoenix]

And before I forget, the F2RWRS commissioner Tom Douglas would like to raise four points:
1. Does anyone have any suggestions for chassis manufacturers for 2016?
2. I'm thinking of introducing an engine manufacturers cup for 2015 but I'm undecided as to simply use the IndyCar system of taking the best result for each manufacturer or to take the old WRC system and have the manufacturers nominate two cars that'll count for the cup on any given weekend. I'll probably introduce a rule with the second system where any combination cannot be used for more than three races in a row if it's voted as the preferred option
3. Does anyone have any experience with the physics files for GP4? I really want to reduce the car's tendency to become airbourne at the slightly provocation as it's starting to annoy me. Plus it's a massive safety issue as all of you are well aware of.
EDIT: 4. Just before the Nurburgring race, I found how to switch the tyres between Bridgestone and Michelin. Therefore, is anyone game enough for a tyre war in 2016?

1. I would like to propose Reynard, as well as the others that have been mentioned. If the chassis manufacturer has to be a real one, I'd choose them.
2. Count all cars for the scores, I think it's the fairest and most open way, and can punish unreliability.
3. No.
4. Yes. Aeroracing Engineering chooses Michelin.

[Shizuka]

1 - Dallara, Reynard, Lola
2 - I agree with Phoenix
3 - No
4 - Yes, Shonan uses Bridgestones

[Wizzie]

As far as the F2RWRS driver issue is concerned, I'm with the vast majority of the team owners in this one with leaving the credits as it is instead of reducing it as it'll put the future of the F2RWRS in doubt. As far as the rest go, here's the commissioner's response.
1. Dallara and Reynard have both been accepted into the F2RWRS for 2016. I'm unconvinced about Zytek and DeltaWing's got a big no from me, simply because it'll be far too much hassle to find it and actually install it into the game without breaking everything
2. I take it that the IndyCar system is the most popular one and will be implemented as a result. Anyone got any ideas for an accompanying points system to it?
4. That's a big yes for the tyre war then and it'll be introduced next year alongside the chassis market. No, I honestly don't know how tyre performance works (Yes, it's another thing that I don't know about GP4 ). Yes, your choices are Michelin or Bridgestone as, again, I don't want to start messing around with all the physics files without knowing my stuff first.

[FMecha]

4 is no without Pirelli.

[Stramala]

4 is no without Pirelli.

This.

[dr-baker]

1. Dallara and Reynard have both been accepted into the F2RWRS for 2016. I'm unconvinced about Zytek and DeltaWing's got a big no from me, simply because it'll be far too much hassle to find it and actually install it into the game without breaking everything.

As I said when I suggested the DeltaWing, I was answering with F1RWRS in mind, not F2RWRS, so no worries about that. Maybe a suggestion for Aerond then!

[Wizzie]

4 is no without Pirelli.

This.

Again, my limit is the physics files and how they work. Bridgestone and Michelin are the default choices in game and I'm sticking to them until I can find out whether new manufacturers would replace existing ones or can be added as new ones.

[Klon]

Hereby Tropico Grand Prix powered by CR Motorsport proposes another part of the "Breaking The Chain" campaign:

The Harvey Jones Memorial Trophy*

It is to be awarded to the most successful tire manufacturer to emphasise the fact that, unlike F1, we have a tire war going on. To account for quantity, each manufacturer would be ranked for each race according to their best position. Like the memorial trophys for Dan Wheldon and Dave McFaste, this one is to be awarded retroactively.

*Alternative title proposal:
Billy Wade Memorial Trophy

OoC: Of course I would do the calculating for this one - as I said I would with the Nations' Cup which I now find boring - to make it easy for every one.

[AndreaModa]

Not a bad idea, I support the name for the trophy, and I think it's a nice little thing to add a bit more depth to the series.

[Aerond]

Hey guys; important thing to discuss here. I've seen some of you chosing tyre manufacturers and I was thinking if we could actually introduce tyre manufacturers as a new game factor. It'd work this way:

- Chosing a tyre manufacturer is mandatory
- Cost can vary from Free to 250 credits or so, per year.
- Tyres can affect the performance in three different ways; they can increase/decrease driver performance, they can affect driver consistency and they can affect car reliability (each tyre will have a set of characteristics, same as engine and chassis). A tyre manufacturer may also produce better dry or qualifyng tyres than wet tyres, this would be simulated by changing drivers performance accordingly. Of course this would be noticed in the stats so people know exactly what they're buying.
- There would be something from 5 to 8 different tyre choices, with no maximum number of teams per manufacturer.
- There won't be an extra allocation of credits for this, before you ask. It must be done within budget. Tyre market would open when the engine/chassis market is closed to avoid confussion.

We could start this at 2015 if wanted, we have still time to implent it.

[SuperAguri]

As most people have selected tyres for 2015 would it be better to introduce the credit cost for 2016? It would be mean for someone who say has choosen Dunlop tyres only to have to choose some other tyre like Goodyear due to cost. Apart from that I think the other points are fine.

[AndreaModa]

As most people have selected tyres for 2015 would it be better to introduce the credit cost for 2016? It would be mean for someone who say has choosen Dunlop tyres only to have to choose some other tyre like Goodyear due to cost. Apart from that I think the other points are fine.

I agree with this, though ultimately I'm not too fussed either way. It would introduce a further complexity into the rules, and I'm not sure how others feel about that. Personally I'm okay, but I'm more than happy to go with the majority consensus.

[Wizzie]

I for one have my reservations about the idea as it could suddenly throw out the balance that we're trying to create with the 2015 regulations and it's starting to verge on change simply for the sake of it. I'd say no for 2015 but reintroduce it for debate before 2016

[FMecha]

I for one have my reservations about the idea as it could suddenly throw out the balance that we're trying to create with the 2015 regulations and it's starting to verge on change simply for the sake of it. I'd say no for 2015 but reintroduce it for debate before 2016

Seconded. Leaving it as is (tires being voluntary) makes the rules simpler and less stressful.

[dr-baker]

I for one have my reservations about the idea as it could suddenly throw out the balance that we're trying to create with the 2015 regulations and it's starting to verge on change simply for the sake of it. I'd say no for 2015 but reintroduce it for debate before 2016

Seconded. Leaving it as is (tires being voluntary) makes the rules simpler and less stressful.

This.

[eurobrun]

Just wanted to clarify some things.

Autodynamics GP is an Australian/British team, most of the senior management is Australian but they are based in England.

RBWRT and Autodynamics do have some limited relation, and I am eventually hoping to make RBWRT into a young driver program.

Dean O'Lauchlan will probably be retained as I don't have anyone better to fill the seat.

[Klon]

I think I agree with those saying it should be done for 2016. You would have to recalculate engine and chassis costs for that purpose otherwise tires may become too significant for their actual value for a car or too expensive to be relevant. In itself I don't mind if it is not too much work for you aerond but of course we need to think of competitveness.

[AndreaModa]

Just wanted to clarify some things.

Autodynamics GP is an Australian/British team, most of the senior management is Australian but they are based in England.

RBWRT and Autodynamics do have some limited relation, and I am eventually hoping to make RBWRT into a young driver program.

Dean O'Lauchlan will probably be retained as I don't have anyone better to fill the seat.

Is Autodynamics racing under an Australian or a British licence, or jointly like MRT does with Oz and Germany?

[Klon]

Since I have not heard any protest against this, I have gone ahead and already added the retroactive Harvey Jones Memorial Trophy results for 2010 and 2011 - so if you happen to change your team's tire selection for that year, please check whether it has any influence on the points table and if it does, fix it.

Whilst doing that, I encountered a certain problem which could prove difficult in certain situations which leads to the question: who owns the past of the teams?
This might be an important question as I have hindered Prospec from taking Bridgestone tires based on Lon supposedly being at his best with Michelin tires which was true as by the time of that post since the wiki implied Kahama using Michelin tires before the team was taken over in 2013 - so far I have restored that, but "my" issue is not the point as you can surely understand that such things could prove significant with aerond introducing a tire system or other stuff becoming relevant, thankfully it is not right now.

Just a short clarification on this topic would be nice.

[tommykl]

I believe the past of the original teams would belong to TMLW

[dr-baker]

West Cliff Racing, one of the original teams, was revived by the Foxdale team for the Bathurst 24 Hours, a team that Douglas had links with. I.e. Foxdale are trying to lay claim to West Cliff's history, and there were not any protests during that endurance event... Can Foxdale continue to claim that team's history, or was it only permitted as a one-off? The idea will be to combine the two in the same vein as Pacific Team Lotus in 1995...

[eurobrun]

Just wanted to clarify some things.

Autodynamics GP is an Australian/British team, most of the senior management is Australian but they are based in England.

RBWRT and Autodynamics do have some limited relation, and I am eventually hoping to make RBWRT into a young driver program.

Dean O'Lauchlan will probably be retained as I don't have anyone better to fill the seat.

Is Autodynamics racing under an Australian or a British licence, or jointly like MRT does with Oz and Germany?

Joint license.

[Warren Hughes]

I was just browsing the driver contracts page on the wiki and noticed that Andrej Kremnicky is listed as being Kostas22's driver. When did this happen, it must have passed me by?

[Stramala]

I was just browsing the driver contracts page on the wiki and noticed that Andrej Kremnicky is listed as being Kostas22's driver. When did this happen, it must have passed me by?

I don't know who wrote that, but it's wrong, and I've fixed it to his actual owner....