The Formula 1 Rejects Teams Association (F1RTA) Thread

[eurobrun]

Eurobrun: You're quite true about Tropico being deliberately rejectful. But there is something worse actually: VIC.

Even worse, CR Motorsport in 2013

[FMecha]

Eurobrun: You're quite true about Tropico being deliberately rejectful. But there is something worse actually: VIC.

Even worse, CR Motorsport in 2013

Kinda concur. Choosing Life W12 engine was the biggest mistake ever in F1RWRS.

[the Masked Lapwing]

Eurobrun: You're quite true about Tropico being deliberately rejectful. But there is something worse actually: VIC.

Even worse, CR Motorsport in 2013

Kinda concur. Choosing Life W12 engine was the biggest mistake ever in F1RWRS.

Not a mistake when you do it deliberately

[FMecha]

Even worse, CR Motorsport in 2013

Kinda concur. Choosing Life W12 engine was the biggest mistake ever in F1RWRS.

Not a mistake when you do it deliberately

Nah, that is a 'wrong decision' dude

[Wizzie]

Kinda concur. Choosing Life W12 engine was the biggest mistake ever in F1RWRS.

Not a mistake when you do it deliberately

Nah, that is a 'wrong decision' dude

Nah, it was completely deliberate. Trust me, I know

Then again, my memory is one of the dodgiest in the known universe

[the Masked Lapwing]

Kinda concur. Choosing Life W12 engine was the biggest mistake ever in F1RWRS.

Not a mistake when you do it deliberately

Nah, that is a 'wrong decision' dude

You laugh because I chose the Life engine. Do you remember what chassis I chose to go with it?

[Wizzie]

Having just done all my prize money estimates for 2015, I remembered the massive debate we had about the Pre-Q cup prize structure. With the prize money estimates I made for all the teams (mostly because I wanted to see just by how much MRT blew everyone into the weeds and the storyline dictates that Melrose has to be a thorn in the side of the Commissioner since 2013 ), MRT have decided to reject BOTH the old and the new prize structures and propose a new one as follows:

1st: 125 credits
2nd: 100 credits
3rd: 75 credits
4th: 50 credits.
5th: 35 credits
All other classified teams: 20 credits

[Aerond]

Having just done all my prize money estimates for 2015, I remembered the massive debate we had about the Pre-Q cup prize structure. With the prize money estimates I made for all the teams (mostly because I wanted to see just by how much MRT blew everyone into the weeds and the storyline dictates that Melrose has to be a thorn in the side of the Commissioner since 2013 ), MRT have decided to reject BOTH the old and the new prize structures and propose a new one as follows:

1st: 125 credits
2nd: 100 credits
3rd: 75 credits
4th: 50 credits.
5th: 35 credits
All other classified teams: 20 credits

I reject that because there´s no need to give more credits to teams which have done almost nothing and yet are earning more credits because of the TV Prize estructure.

And anyway, I don´t care what one team director says, if I have to do it the Balestre way, I´ll do it the Balestre way

[FMecha]

But Aerond - by doing it the Balestre way - you are immediately favoring DGN, because you have control of the series and DGNginnering team.

[eurobrun]

But Aerond - by doing it the Balestre way - you are immediately favoring DGN, because you have control of the series and DGNginnering team.

[Wizzie]

Having just done all my prize money estimates for 2015, I remembered the massive debate we had about the Pre-Q cup prize structure. With the prize money estimates I made for all the teams (mostly because I wanted to see just by how much MRT blew everyone into the weeds and the storyline dictates that Melrose has to be a thorn in the side of the Commissioner since 2013 ), MRT have decided to reject BOTH the old and the new prize structures and propose a new one as follows:

1st: 125 credits
2nd: 100 credits
3rd: 75 credits
4th: 50 credits.
5th: 35 credits
All other classified teams: 20 credits

I reject that because there´s no need to give more credits to teams which have done almost nothing and yet are earning more credits because of the TV Prize estructure.

And anyway, I don´t care what one team director says, if I have to do it the Balestre way, I´ll do it the Balestre way

Are you really sure that's a good idea? Especially considering that "One team director" happens to be the one with the most knowledge about how the system works, would have been the commissioner if it wasn't for you and is more than capable of running the series himself?

[Aerond]

Having just done all my prize money estimates for 2015, I remembered the massive debate we had about the Pre-Q cup prize structure. With the prize money estimates I made for all the teams (mostly because I wanted to see just by how much MRT blew everyone into the weeds and the storyline dictates that Melrose has to be a thorn in the side of the Commissioner since 2013 ), MRT have decided to reject BOTH the old and the new prize structures and propose a new one as follows:

1st: 125 credits
2nd: 100 credits
3rd: 75 credits
4th: 50 credits.
5th: 35 credits
All other classified teams: 20 credits

I reject that because there´s no need to give more credits to teams which have done almost nothing and yet are earning more credits because of the TV Prize estructure.

And anyway, I don´t care what one team director says, if I have to do it the Balestre way, I´ll do it the Balestre way

Are you really sure that's a good idea? Especially considering that "One team director" happens to be the one with the most knowledge about how the system works, would have been the commissioner if it wasn't for you and is more than capable of running the series himself?

No, I really approve your proposal, as long as you shut up and never go about it ever again.

[Stramala]

I don't get it, MRT criticises the F1RWRS Commission and nothing happens, Scuderia Alitalia do it and they try to bankrupt the team! It appears the big teams are being protected...

[Klon]

I don't get it, MRT criticises the F1RWRS Commission and nothing happens, Scuderia Alitalia do it and they try to bankrupt the team! It appears the big teams are being protected...

No, Germans are protected. Our council could take a dump on the office floors of the F1RWRS Commission and they would not punish us.

[AdrianSutil]

I don't get it, MRT criticises the F1RWRS Commission and nothing happens, Scuderia Alitalia do it and they try to bankrupt the team! It appears the big teams are being protected...

Politics... It's a mug's game.

[Phoenix]

So how many credits my team will earn from the Prequalifying Cup? This is important to us, I want to see if I can sell my current chassis and trade it for a better one. Which leads me to the next question, FMecha style...

When will the list of available chassis for 2015 be available?

[Wizzie]

So how many credits my team will earn from the Prequalifying Cup? This is important to us, I want to see if I can sell my current chassis and trade it for a better one. Which leads me to the next question, FMecha style...

When will the list of available chassis for 2015 be available?

Under Aerond's old systen, it's 70. Under my proposal, it's 100.

I was actually about to ask when that list would be released as well but I'm guessing it'll take a while whilst Aerond does all the necessary paperwork behind the scenes

[Wizzie]

I reject that because there´s no need to give more credits to teams which have done almost nothing and yet are earning more credits because of the TV Prize estructure.

And anyway, I don´t care what one team director says, if I have to do it the Balestre way, I´ll do it the Balestre way

Are you really sure that's a good idea? Especially considering that "One team director" happens to be the one with the most knowledge about how the system works, would have been the commissioner if it wasn't for you and is more than capable of running the series himself?

No, I really approve your proposal, as long as you shut up and never go about it ever again.

Victory for me!

I knew knowing just about everything there is to know about the system would pay off eventually

[Wizzie]

I don't get it, MRT criticises the F1RWRS Commission and nothing happens, Scuderia Alitalia do it and they try to bankrupt the team! It appears the big teams are being protected...

No, Germans are protected. Our council could take a dump on the office floors of the F1RWRS Commission and they would not punish us.

They'll send you a huge steam-cleaning bill to clean that shite up though

[AndreaModa]

Victory for me!

I knew knowing just about everything there is to know about the system would pay off eventually

And as far as I, the president of the F1RTA is concerned, that's the last time you force through changes like that without any prior consultation of other team owners. It's shady, underhand, and rude to other members who may actually have an opinion on the issue, but by the time they see what's happened, its already too late. You made no attempt to explain the reasoning behind your decision, just that you oppose the two previous systems and wanted propose a new one. For me at least, that isn't good enough. Your continued pestering of Aerond, and refusal to accept the current prize structures looks suspicious and provokes the kind of response that we've seen from both FMecha and Eurobrun recently regarding Aerond and his conflict of interest with DGN and running the series. The very same thing could be quite easily levelled at you and MRT in the F2RWRS.

So please, for everyone's sake, because we don't know GP2/GP4 coding inside out, let's have some discussion, some explanation in layman's terms for those of use who have absolutely no idea why you're so opposed to the previous prize structures, and then everything is above board, and there can be no accusations of ulterior motives or anything unsavoury like that!

What's happened previously is water under the bridge, all I'm saying is that from now on, I'm not having any more of what everyone's been witness to above.

[Aerond]

Andreamoda, I was thinking how to overcome this and I think the best way is to make public the performance estimates by Gp2edit public from day one. That could be a solution. I think "knowing the system" as Wizzie does is ok but never a key to win as there's a fair ammount of randomization thrown in there.
Anyway, if someone has something to add about the prize estructure I'll be very pleased to discuss it.
I'd also like to announce that I plan to publish the chassis and engine list before the market is open, and that is as fair as it can get regarding chassises and engines and of course I agree with you in that this series are run in a very fair way if you compare it to F2RWRS

[Wizzie]

And as far as I, the president of the F1RTA is concerned, that's the last time you force through changes like that without any prior consultation of other team owners. It's shady, underhand, and rude to other members who may actually have an opinion on the issue, but by the time they see what's happened, its already too late. You made no attempt to explain the reasoning behind your decision, just that you oppose the two previous systems and wanted propose a new one. For me at least, that isn't good enough. Your continued pestering of Aerond, and refusal to accept the current prize structures looks suspicious and provokes the kind of response that we've seen from both FMecha and Eurobrun recently regarding Aerond and his conflict of interest with DGN and running the series. The very same thing could be quite easily levelled at you and MRT in the F2RWRS.

So please, for everyone's sake, because we don't know GP2/GP4 coding inside out, let's have some discussion, some explanation in layman's terms for those of use who have absolutely no idea why you're so opposed to the previous prize structures, and then everything is above board, and there can be no accusations of ulterior motives or anything unsavoury like that!

What's happened previously is water under the bridge, all I'm saying is that from now on, I'm not having any more of what everyone's been witness to above.

First of all, as far as MRT was concerned, Macklin only won last year because Kremnicky missed a crapload of races with that enormous accident. This year, as far as I'm concerned, MRT will be lucky to fluke in a win with Lancia and HRT as strong as they are.

Secondly, I didn't like the original system because it gave too few credits to the teams that needed it (seriously, 10 credits for finishing 7th?) and too many to the winner. However, whilst the second system aerond proposed solved the first two problems but created a new one in that it meant the teams in the upper-middle of the table (i.e. 2nd-5th range) missed out. Therefore, why not go the third way and go for a middle-ground, so to speak? And before Mr Lindsay goes blue in the face, he's actually the one that benefits the most from my proposal as he gets an extra 30 odd credits for his troubles

[Aerond]

Wizzie, but you are talking about PreQ teams here, which, seriously, shouldn't be receiving credits for that in the first place. A credits allocation (for this and F2RWRS) only happened because I was asked about it in the first place abd now that I think of it we shouldn't be giving extra credits to these teams at all.

[AdrianSutil]

Slightly off-topic from the pre-q discussion, but I'd like to know the following for Kingfisher Racing (Mitie):

* Current BHP for my engine and how much it can handle
* Ashley Watkinsons stats (how much has been spent on him)
* Total amount of credits we now have (For ease, David Neuberg competed in 12 events but we took a 50cresit penalty for signing a 5th driver)

I am planning on keeping my chassis and engine again, so I'll be in the background during the 'off-season' and just want to confirm what I have now. Thanks.

[Wizzie]

Slightly off-topic from the pre-q discussion, but I'd like to know the following for Kingfisher Racing (Mitie):

* Current BHP for my engine and how much it can handle
* Ashley Watkinsons stats (how much has been spent on him)
* Total amount of credits we now have (For ease, David Neuberg competed in 12 events but we took a 50cresit penalty for signing a 5th driver)

I am planning on keeping my chassis and engine again, so I'll be in the background during the 'off-season' and just want to confirm what I have now. Thanks.

1. The base stat for your engine is 590bhp and since your chassis' power rating (5) means it remains at 590. Phoenix use the same engine BUT since their chassis' power rating is one higher (6), it can produce 600bhp.
2. Driver stats are beyond me. Lappy might have an idea though
3. Was Neuberg your only paydriver for the year? If so then you're get 240 credits from him. The 50 credit penalty reduces your end balance to 190. Since I THINK (I'm not sure how accurate my estimates are) you're recieving 422 credits in prize money, that leaves you with a grand total of 612. Then again, my numbers may be off.

[AdrianSutil]

Your numbers ARE off because I never spent all my credits at the beginning of the year. Hopefully Aerond has all the info.

[Wizzie]

Your numbers ARE off because I never spent all my credits at the beginning of the year. Hopefully Aerond has all the info.

Actually, Uncle Melrose can help you there as well.

Have you spent any money on upgrades this year, if not, then you can just use the list on page three and build a fairly accurate picture from there.

[the Masked Lapwing]

2. Driver stats are beyond me. Lappy might have an idea though

Nope. I don't keep track of the money I'm spending, only winning

Which reminds me, Aerond, can I know the stats for Frank Zimmer and Rhys Davies? And an explanation as to why Zimmer was so much more inconsistent that Whitechapel would be nice too.

[Wizzie]

2. Driver stats are beyond me. Lappy might have an idea though

Nope. I don't keep track of the money I'm spending, only winning

Which reminds me, Aerond, can I know the stats for Frank Zimmer and Rhys Davies? And an explanation as to why Zimmer was so much more inconsistent that Whitechapel would be nice too.

Didn't he send you the performance file for Indy though?

[AdrianSutil]

Your numbers ARE off because I never spent all my credits at the beginning of the year. Hopefully Aerond has all the info.

Actually, Uncle Melrose can help you there as well.

Have you spent any money on upgrades this year, if not, then you can just use the list on page three and build a fairly accurate picture from there.

60 credits on Valsattis' qualifying performance and the same on Stephen Mackintosh.

[Wizzie]

Your numbers ARE off because I never spent all my credits at the beginning of the year. Hopefully Aerond has all the info.

Actually, Uncle Melrose can help you there as well.

Have you spent any money on upgrades this year, if not, then you can just use the list on page three and build a fairly accurate picture from there.

60 credits on Valsattis' qualifying performance and the same on Stephen Mackintosh.

Ok. We start off on 1000 credits. You then spend 500 credits on a chassis and 350 on an engine which leaves you with 150 left over. Then, you spend 120 credits on driver upgrades which means 30 left over. Add it to the 612 total from before and that gives you a grand total of 642. I think.

[AdrianSutil]

Not a bad budget for the new year

[Wizzie]

Not a bad budget for the new year

Indeed, it isn't. However, it'd be safer to assume it's 600 until Aerond does all his calculations.

[Stramala]

Aerond, I think a full accounting report for all teams at the end of the 2014 season before the engine/chassis market opens is in order here. I myself have no idea how many credits Alitalia has now!

[the Masked Lapwing]

2. Driver stats are beyond me. Lappy might have an idea though

Nope. I don't keep track of the money I'm spending, only winning

Which reminds me, Aerond, can I know the stats for Frank Zimmer and Rhys Davies? And an explanation as to why Zimmer was so much more inconsistent that Whitechapel would be nice too.

Didn't he send you the performance file for Indy though?

No, he didn't. I gave each driver performances based on their experience, ages and talent in feeder series if applicable, i.e. the best drivers were either old (e.g. John Zimmer, Christopherson), having lengthy F1 careers (Melrose, Davies, Christopherson again, Jones) or were good in the F2/3RWRS (Kremnicky, Macklin, Hawkin). I only recently figured out that of the top 8 drivers on the grid, four of them drove for Jones Racing .
As for cars, I simply took the power and reliability stats from the chassis/engine list (not counting upgrades). And then there was the picking of the random chassis/engine combos for Autodynamics and Donkervoort because euroburn and This ignored me when when I told them to pick

[eurobrun]

Nope. I don't keep track of the money I'm spending, only winning

Which reminds me, Aerond, can I know the stats for Frank Zimmer and Rhys Davies? And an explanation as to why Zimmer was so much more inconsistent that Whitechapel would be nice too.

Didn't he send you the performance file for Indy though?

No, he didn't. I gave each driver performances based on their experience, ages and talent in feeder series if applicable, i.e. the best drivers were either old (e.g. John Zimmer, Christopherson), having lengthy F1 careers (Melrose, Davies, Christopherson again, Jones) or were good in the F2/3RWRS (Kremnicky, Macklin, Hawkin). I only recently figured out that of the top 8 drivers on the grid, four of them drove for Jones Racing .
As for cars, I simply took the power and reliability stats from the chassis/engine list (not counting upgrades). And then there was the picking of the random chassis/engine combos for Autodynamics and Donkervoort because euroburn and This ignored me when when I told them to pick

I never even saw the post about picking a chassis for Indy.

[eurobrun]

Nope. I don't keep track of the money I'm spending, only winning

Which reminds me, Aerond, can I know the stats for Frank Zimmer and Rhys Davies? And an explanation as to why Zimmer was so much more inconsistent that Whitechapel would be nice too.

Didn't he send you the performance file for Indy though?

No, he didn't. I gave each driver performances based on their experience, ages and talent in feeder series if applicable, i.e. the best drivers were either old (e.g. John Zimmer, Christopherson), having lengthy F1 careers (Melrose, Davies, Christopherson again, Jones) or were good in the F2/3RWRS (Kremnicky, Macklin, Hawkin). I only recently figured out that of the top 8 drivers on the grid, four of them drove for Jones Racing .
As for cars, I simply took the power and reliability stats from the chassis/engine list (not counting upgrades). And then there was the picking of the random chassis/engine combos for Autodynamics and Donkervoort because euroburn and This ignored me when when I told them to pick

I never even saw the post about picking a chassis for Indy.

[the Masked Lapwing]

I never even saw the post about picking a chassis for Indy.

Really? I even bolded it for you two and you both missed it!

[dr-baker]

Aerond, I think a full accounting report for all teams at the end of the 2014 season before the engine/chassis market opens is in order here. I myself have no idea how many credits Alitalia has now!

Agreed. All I know is that I spent just about all the credits that I started the season with, and have no idea how many credits I have earnt through the season!

[Shizuka]

Will the non-used chassis' from this season stay for 2015?
I have picked three out of them, two seems alright to use (realistically thinking I won't have enough to swap the engine too), although the power ratings are below five for both of them, but those two seemed to be the best currently.