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by **Klon** » 16 Oct 2009, 04:40

Ignore this please.

by **shinji** » 16 Oct 2009, 04:51

Raw Pace - 9.5

Possibly the fastest driver of all time, but nobody can be 10 as we don't know what could happen in the future.

Strategic Ability - 9.5

Had Ross Brawn to devise his strategies, so was set in that regard, but he was very capable of implementing them (see 4 stop strategy France '04)

Personal Reliability - 9.5

Can't remember him spinning out, he had crashes but they were so rare that they were deemed intentional.

Entertainment Value - 7.0

He wasn't the most exciting of drivers. He pulled no truly astounding overtakes from what I can remember, but he was entertaining as an underdog before about 2001.

Personal Sympathy - 9.5

I got interested in F1 in 2000, so was immediately drawn to the guy who was winning - Schumacher.

Good idea, don't know why you think it will degenerate in to 'flaming'. This isn't that type of forum.

by **jackanderton** » 16 Oct 2009, 08:45

Raw Pace = 9.0 The fastest driver of his time, but in flattering machinery for most of that time. Raikkonen and Alonso looked his equal for raw pace. Hakkinen was a match for him on his day, but didn't have the consistency.

Strategic Ability = 8.0 Executing a strategy based around being 1.5 seconds a lap quicker than everyone bar your teammate isn't very difficult. He did have some impressive wins through interesting strategy, but often when he was struggling the strategy was more or less mediocre.

Personal Reliability = 9.5 Much as I loathe the man, I can't think of too many people I'd want to bring a car home in one piece

Entertainment Value = 0.0 for the processions, 9.5 for when he was involved in proper battles. He's a hateable man but his defensive driving is so assertive it made for some great racing over the years. The hissy fits he'd throw when the slightest thing went wrong were this f1 fans cherished schadenfreude moments. Average median score of 4.75

Personal Sympathy = 0.0 I have no personal sympathy whatsoever. He was a poor sportsman who adopted a legacy of underhand tactics. He was an arrogant cold person who displayed humourlessness. He stayed on and on churning out wins and ruining the sport just to extend his own personal record. He didn't even try to switch teams to see how he'd get on. He hasn't got any points because I haven't any sympathy for him. For what reason exactly should I feel sympathetic?

by **tristan1117** » 16 Oct 2009, 10:03

Raw Pace = 9.5 He was fast. Unbelievably fast. The fact that he won 13/18 races that year was ridiculous.

Strategic Ability = 9.0 He was great at making strategies work. The legendary Schumacher way was on its best showing here. If Brawn said to do it he made it work. The 4-stop strategy in France was incredible. I think that was the only time where a driver won with an intended 4-stopper.

Personal Reliability = 10 That year, the only sure thing was that Schumi was going to finish. He only didn't finish in 1 race and he had 15 podium finishes.

Entertainment Value = 4.0 Man, this season was boring. I watched every race and I can't remember half of them. Their were some good races in Monaco, Italy, and Belgium but the rest were boring.

Personal Sympathy = 6.5 I think he's a cheater. I think he's arrogant and uncompromising. However, his talent is unbelievable and his 7 titles speak for itself. He had a great car in 94-95 and in 2000-2004. I never liked Schumi that much since I started watching in 02. I preferred to support Montoya, Alonso and Raikkonen instead of the guy who was winning and winning and winning and winning...

by **Winterspring** » 16 Oct 2009, 17:03

Raw Pace: 9 - He was very quick out of anyone really around his main times. Especially with the Ferrari in 96/97.

Strategic Ability: 9 - He was very good to make strategies work to his advantage due to Ross Brawn but he had to make it work though which is where he shone.

Personal Reliability: 9 - He is one of the drivers you can trust to bring the car home but was still prone to stupid errors and pressure like in Brazil '03.

Entertainment Value: 7.5 - He wasn't the most entertaining drivers out there but his past overtakings were really something.

Personal Sympathy: 8.5 - He build Ferrari from the doldrums to a world class outfit and still had his moments were he just accept defeats like Suzuka 2006 but Jerez 1997 as well as Monaco 2006 took some points away.

by **kaiserfranz** » 16 Oct 2009, 20:51

Raw Pace 9.5
Even in those years when he didn't have the best car, he was outstanding.

Strategic Ability 8.5
A smart driver if ever there was one.

Personal Reliability: 8.5
Mistakes happen. He had his fair share but still less than most of the others.

Entertainment Value: 6
Always very entertaining when he wasn't in front and his (sometimes unfair) antics provided lots of entertainment.

Personal Sympathy 5
I was never a fan of his because I don't like overhyping. The German media was as bad as I suspect the English to be with Hamilton. It's gotten better in recent years since he's not driving anymore and I wouldn't have minded him returning.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 16 Oct 2009, 22:03

Raw Pace: 9.5 He's one of those guys who can extract 12 tenths out of anything. He has the ability to pull out THOSE laps almost at will
Strategic Ability: 9.0 If you wanted to make a stratagy work then Shucmacher's your man. Hungary 98 and France 04 spring to mind.
Personal Reliability: 8.5 He does make the occasional driver mistake from time to time but not as many as most people. He can also build a very sucessful team around him and that helped with his sucess
Entertainment Value: 6 When not out infront he's one of the most entertaining drivers out there but since he spends so much time out front he suffers in this catagory.
Personal Sympathy: 7.5 I only started watching F1 at the end of 04 so what I saw of Michael showed that he was a fighter till the end (Hungary 06 and Brazil 06 are both excellent examples) and his aforementioned ability to extract more out of his cars than anyone could and I appreciated that plus the sheer talent and ability he showed. And this is coming from an unashamed Williams fan

by **Phoenix** » 23 Oct 2009, 00:37

Raw pace:9.0-Very quick even with an average car (2005)
Strategic ability:8.0-Ross Brawn may have helped, but still...
Personal reliabilty:10.0-2002 anyone?
Entertaining value:6.0-Not the most entertaining, but he had his moments (Imola 2005, for example)
Personal sympathy:6.5-Not a nasty person, but he had some very gruesome moments along his career (1997 European GP, Belgium 1998, Monaco 2006)

by **Klon** » 23 Oct 2009, 06:30

Inoffical F1 Rejects Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,29688)

Inoffical F1 Rejects Driver's Ranking (with Symphaty)
1.: Michael Schumacher (7,93750)

Inoffical F1 Rejects Raw Pace Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)

Inoffical F1 Rejects Strategic Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)

Inoffical F1 Rejects Reliability Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (9,12500)

Inoffical F1 Rejects Entertainment Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (5,81250)

Inoffical F1 Rejects Sympathy Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (6,50000)

And here we go, it's time for the eternal number #2:

*** RUBENS BARRICHELLO ***

Raw Pace - 8.5
He certainly has quite good pace, even (or especially) in his "old" age, he can overtake and is good at low fuel runs.

Strategic Ability - 6.0
Well, there it depends on his form on that given day and the quality of his strategy, had some problems with making out-of-the-ordinary strategies work this season.

Personal Reliability - 6.0
While his experience certainly amounts for something, he has sometimes problems which are in part his fault. Furthermore, his complaints to the media aren't good advertising for any team.

Entertainment Value - 9.0
An exciting and very emotional person, this counts for something.

Personal Sympathy - 9.5
My favourite driver in this season, I don't really know why, but he's charismatic, I like him... and besides, the "Blah-Blah-Blah"-song is still on my playlist

by **Stramala** » 23 Oct 2009, 06:47

Raw Pace - 7.0
Fast driver, but sometimes lacks pace at the most crucial of times.

Strategic Ability - 6.5
Can sometimes make strategies work, other times completely ruin them. A bit of a lottery that with Rubens...

Personal Reliability - 7.5
Vast experience to fall back on, but can still make unforced errors at times.

Entertainment Value - 9.0
Very outspoken, emotional driver (remember the Blah-Blah-Blah incident?) which produces some funny moments at times.

Personal Sympathy - 10
Having to play second fiddle at the prime of your career, with the best car in the field, must have got hard to cope with as the years went by. He really is the eternal #2 driver...

by **tristan1117** » 23 Oct 2009, 10:29

Raw Pace- 7.0
Good pace in some races (all his race wins for example) but never compared to Michael and was beaten by some of the other drivers like Raikkonen, Montoya and Alonso.

Strategic Ability- 6.0
Rubens seems to have a way of managing of not being able to make Ross Brawn's strategies work. Even this year, in some of the races where he had to push to win, he didn't do very well.

Personal Reliability- 7.0
Rubens has always been prone to the occasional mistake. With his advanced age, he continued to get better but he still makes errors, sometimes not his fault.

Entertainment Value- 8.0
He was the typical Brazilian driver, personality-wise. Emotional, outspoken, funny, grumpy, and always smiling. His crying at the end of his first race win and the Blah-Blah-Blah incident are testaments of his personality.

Personal Sympathy- 9.5
Always liked the guy. He was the number 2 driver the whole time I've watched F1, whether it was Schumi or Button so naturally, I supported him over the dominance of Mike Schumacher.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 23 Oct 2009, 16:23

Raw Pace - 6.5
On his good days he could easily match and beat the best of the best but he never had enough of those days.

Strategic Ability - 6.5
Again like about some days he can make them work some days he simply cannot

Personal Reliability - 7.5
Has an enormous amount of experience to fall back on but is still prone to the occasional mistake

Entertainment Value - 9.0
Exciting and emotional both on and off the track. Also very outspoken

Personal Sympathy - 10
Having been forced to play 2nd fiddle for the best part of a decade in some of the best cars in Formula 1 hsitory must take alot out of you mentally. Really is the eternal number 2... now if only Williams give him a good car for next year

by **Winterspring** » 23 Oct 2009, 19:45

Raw Pace: 7
He was good on his days like Germany 2000 but other then that he just goes missing.

Strategic Ability: 7
Being a bit nicer but he did make the strategies work this year to his advantage but back in Ferrari it was a bit of a chance with him.

Personal Reliability: 7
He does make the occasional mistake that stuffs him over but the errors are decreasing by each season.

Entertainment Value: 8
Fun, Emotional driver including his first win and the more recent problem in this year by blaming his team.

Personal Sympathy: 8
To live as a number two under the dominance of Schumacher increases the score but he should have done more at Honda except sticking by, helping them but not results like Jenson in 2006.

by **Phoenix** » 24 Oct 2009, 00:18

Raw pace: 8.0
Strategic ability: 7.5
Personal reliabilty: 8.5
Entertaining value: 8.0
Personal simpathy: 9.5-He was Schumacher's slave for five years and I can't remember him complaining for that.

by **jackanderton** » 24 Oct 2009, 01:23

*** RUBENS BARRICHELLO ***

Raw Pace - 8.0
Overall his pace has been okay, at times it has been slow, and other times on his day he's looked like the fastest driver on the grid. His talent deserved the Ferrari seat, but not the subsequent treatment.

Strategic Ability - 4.0
There's attracting bad luck and there's simply lack of planning, foresight, preperation. This guy could have had so many more points if his strategy was better.

Personal Reliability - 7.0
As a person until this year he has been the golden boy of the grid. Extremely popular and seems to have a self-drive beneath that pleasant exterior. In the car he's generally been prone to bad luck, but earns points for being a team player.

Entertainment Value - 7.5
It's a good experience to see him succeed, he celebrates like a man who has never had success handed to him but has had to work for it, and that counts for a lot in my eyes. On track he's deteriorated but usually with Rubens something is happening out there on track, which is a good thing.

Personal Sympathy - 7.0
The old guy on the grid is the one you want to see do well. Back in the day he was fighting for some of the smaller teams and proved his quality. Then he moved to Ferrari and played the willing sucker, which I didn't like, and seemed to be fading away at Honda. This season he loses more points for his mid-season strop which surprised and disappointed me.

by **Enforcer** » 24 Oct 2009, 02:58

Raw Pace 8.0 - Schumacher's the only team-mate he's unequivocaly never been quicker than. He was quicker than his collection of Jordan buddies in 93, Irvine in 94 & 95, Brundle in 96, and all his Stewart team-mates (admittedly, some of them weren't very good). He's also been quicker for most of the 2nd half of the season than Jenson.

Strategy 7.0 - He's been off-colour a bit this season. But in his earlier career he had some good strategic drives. You can discount most of his Ferrari days since his strategy was designed to be a rear-gunner for Schumacher. His pole at Spa in 94, when he timed himself to be the last out in the drying conditions is a good example, as was his first win in 2000 when he stayed on dry tires on an intermediate track. Generally they've involved making good use of the rain, and he couldn't really be described as a master strategist in the dry.

Personal Reliability 8.0 - Generally been a pretty consistent driver, this season where he went from relatively being nowhere near Button, to being ahead of him being an exception.

Entertainment Value 6.5 - Normally a one of the steadier customers on track, but there have been a few banzai drives, such as his multilap battle with Alesi in Brazil in 96, until he cooked his brakes and all the overtaking he did in the 2000 German Grand Prix.

Personal Sympathy 8.0 - I like Rubens...

by **Tealy** » 29 Oct 2009, 03:15

Raw Pace 8.0
As has been pointed out the guy has pace, he just never got to use it agains MS. I think he has been at least near Jenson at every race this season on raw speed but has blown it in other areas.

Strategy 5.5
I can only talk for his Stewart days onwards (I started watching F1 in 1997) but he is very inconsistant with his strategy calls. Sometimes he can make a terrible position turn into a good result with a good strategy call, but all too often it is the good strategy of drivers around him that gets him overtaken in races. Leading me to believe that he is very average in this area.

Personal Reliability 8.5
Not counting his yo-yo form of this season Rubens can be stunningly consistant. I believe this is why Ferrari wanted him in the first place, to be in the hunt should something go wrong for Michael.

Entertainment Value 8.5
Bruno Mantovani (?) does it best with the Barrichello tank. Rubens can be a lot of fun to watch on circuit when something is on the line. When the race doesn't mean as much he can drop off the boil a little but it is the same for most drivers.

Personal Sympathy 7.0
I'm not his biggest fan (I hate Ferrari) but he wins me over with his passion.

by **FullMetalJack** » 29 Oct 2009, 08:15

Raw Pace 8.0
When allowed to race properly and not bogged down by team orders, he is quick and can still race with the best of them. It's a shame that he doesn't show his best pace often enough

Strategy 7.0
He is a bit on-off with his strategies. When he chooses the right one, it normally pays off handsomely but he can also throw away a great result with a bad strategy. A bit too inconsistent to get a higher score.

Personal Reliability 8.5
Rubens is a very reliable driver and can always be counted on to bring the car home. Finishes almost every race. Was almost always there when it went wrong for Schumacher to pick up the pieces.

Entertainment Value 7.0
Normally a good driver to watch, can be processional sometimes, but so can most drivers. However, he has provided some real on-track action, look at the 2000 German Grand Prix for starters.

Personal Sympathy 10.0
He played second fiddle to Schumi and never complained. Nobody else would have put up with that. Plus, he's the oldest driver so you want him to do well, especially since he's the last driver still in F1 who raced against Senna, Prost, Mansell and Patrese.

by **FullMetalJack** » 29 Oct 2009, 08:16

P.S. I can't wait till we reach HWNSNBM, everyone will probably rate him 10 for Entertainment Value.

by **Klon** » 30 Oct 2009, 05:23

Inoffical F1 Rejects Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,29688)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (7,35000)

Inoffical F1 Rejects Emotional Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (7,93750)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (7,67000)

Inoffical F1 Rejects Raw Pace Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (7,60000)

Inoffical F1 Rejects Strategic Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (6,30000)

Inoffical F1 Rejects Reliability Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (9,12500)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (7,55000)

Inoffical F1 Rejects Entertainment Ranking
1.: Rubens Barrichello (8,05000)
2.: Michael Schumacher (5,81250)

Inoffical F1 Rejects Sympathy Ranking
1.: Rubens Barrichello (8,85000)
2.: Michael Schumacher (6,50000)

We'll be in South America for a while, it's time for:

*** JUAN PABLO MONTOYA ***

Raw Pace - 9.0
Quite well at low fuel runs, his pole run of 2002 prooves that. Of course, he is fast on race day itself and overtakes when he can

Strategic Ability - 6.5
He didn't exceed at this really, if the strategy is good, he's too, but else...

Personal Reliability - 4.5
His true weakness which lost him quite a lot. Crashes were not an unusual sight and he cost himself quite a bit with stunts as the tennis injury.

Entertainment Value - 9.0
Just as Barrichello very emotional person and an aggressive driver, that's good entertainment.

Personal Sympathy - 7.0
Well ... nothing out of the ordinary in terms of sympathy - should he ever come back, I wouldn't mind, but I wouldn't jump in joy either.

by **shinji** » 30 Oct 2009, 05:37

Not to be mean, but the word's unofficial.

Montoya

Raw Pace - 8.0
I think his Williams flattered him at times and he was shown up badly by Raikkonen at McLaren. He was still quick though.

Strategic Ability - 6.0
He was grand at this, nothing special.

Personal Reliabilty - 5.0
Caused two seperate crashes at Indy that I can remember, one that launched Heidfeld spectacularly.

Entertainment Value - 9.0
"You broke my f***ing head!" That is all.

Personal Sympathy - 3.5
I really didn't like this guy, and was only too glad to see the back of him.

by **tristan1117** » 30 Oct 2009, 09:25

Raw Pace - 8.5
A great driver when it comes to speed. I think he has the all time record for fastest speed in an F1 car.

Strategic Ability - 5.5
He wasn't the best when it came to strategies. He always seemed to mess them up with his somewhat reckless driving style.

Personal Reliability - 5.0
Montoya will always be remembered as a guy who flirted with walls occasionally. I remember his crashes in Brazil 2003, Japan 2005, and him colliding with Tiago Monteiro in 2005 on the last lap in Turkey 2005 as examples. I also remember him as a guy who didn't care about the rules (moving to NASCAR, getting Black Flagged for avoiding the light at Canada 06 etc.)

Entertainment Value - 9.5
But I'm not saying his driving style wasn't entertaining! He was one of the few drivers who wasn't afraid to take risks and stick it up to Schumacher. He was a fighter and he wasn't afraid to make the daring overtaking moves and challenge people.

Personal Sympathy - 7.5
I always regarded Montoya, Raikkonen, Alonso, Ralf etc. as people trying to stop the Schumacher menace from 2000-2004. Having only watched F1 since 02, I always rooted for the underdog. After he moved to Mclaren in 05, I started to like him less. He was always swirled in controversy like his tennis injury, his relationship with Ron and his eventual move to NASCAR. A good talent wasted.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 30 Oct 2009, 15:54

Montoya

Raw Pace - 8.0
He was among the best on low fuel runs but not quite there on race days

Strategic Ability - 6.5
On his day he can make his stratagy work for him

Personal Reliabilty - 6.0
Is probably more prone to mistakes that most other people but he did grow some consistancy throughout his career

Entertainment Value - 10
The most entertaining guy on the track and one of the most entertaining off it

Personal Sympathy - 6.5
Not the most likeable driver on the grid but on the other hand you can't hate him for what he did on the track that nobody else would dare to do.

by **Phoenix** » 31 Oct 2009, 00:31

Raw pace: 9.0-Very quick indeed, and fiery.
Strategic ability: 7.0
Personal reliability: 7.0
Entertaining value: 10.0
Personal simpathy: 8.0-He had a strong character but I always liked his flair.

by **Enforcer** » 31 Oct 2009, 01:12

Raw Pace: 9.0 - He had bags of this.
Strategy: 6.0 - I can't think of any excellent Montoya strategy moments.
Personal Reliability: 5.5 - He had a couple of consistent seasons, but generally was far too wayward to be a top driver. Just "going off" the sport and fleeing to NASCAR mid-season loses him more points.
Entertainment Value: 10.0 - Give me him and Kamikaze-era Sato on the front row any day.
Personal Sympathy: 6.0 He gets points because I want to see aggressive, entertaining drivers do well, but loses points because I always felt he came across as arsehole who let his couple of good seasons go to his head.

by **Tealy** » 31 Oct 2009, 03:04

Juan Pablo Montoya

Raw Pace 9.5
I can't think of a faster driver in the same generation in terms of raw pace.

Strategy 5.0
I'm struggling to think of much from Montoya strategy-wise, so that means he can't have been good at it. Reading other people's reasons have resulted in me giving him a 5 as he sounds poorer than Barrichello at strategy.

Personal Reliability 6.0
I think it's this lack of reliability that cost him a real go at the 2003 DWC. It was this combined with his huge ego that always held the guy back.

Entertainment Value 9.0
This guy was fun to watch, it didn't matter if you agreed with him or not his character made him a more interesting driver than most others.

Personal Sympathy 8.0
I wasn't a fan of Juan Pablo as a person, but then I doubt Sir Frank WIlliams was. I was a fan of JPM the driver though because of his constant pushing of the limits even if it all seemed lost.

by **dr-baker** » 31 Oct 2009, 03:08

Tealy wrote:Juan Pablo Montoya

Raw Pace 9.5
I can't think of a faster driver in the same generation in terms of raw pace.

Schumacher? (And I don't mean Ralf...)

by **Tealy** » 31 Oct 2009, 03:10

dr-baker wrote:
Tealy wrote:Juan Pablo Montoya

Raw Pace 9.5
I can't think of a faster driver in the same generation in terms of raw pace.

Schumacher? (And I don't mean Ralf...)

I don't think Schumacher was faster than JPM in terms of raw pace, I consider them about equal. It was Schumacher's strategy calls and ability to set up his car that made him quicker overall.

by **dr-baker** » 31 Oct 2009, 03:14

...But you need the raw pace to carry it off, which Schumacher was able to do consistently for over 10 years... (and I have never even liked Schumacher and prefer Montoya). :roll:

by **watka** » 01 Nov 2009, 00:26

JPM

Raw Pace 8.5
He'd wring the neck of any car he was in (sometimes going over the line), and always had a shot of pole position

Strategy 4.5
If jostling with your teammate at every given opportunity is good strategy, than I'd give him a 10. His strategy was drive as fast as possible, and let everyone else sort out the technical stuff. Not a team player by any means

Personal Reliability 5.5
Big minus points for his time at McLaren, there were times when if he kept it on the road he would have denied Alonso some points and given Kimi a better shot at the title.

Entertainment Value 10.0
Brilliant to watch, made it clear from the outset that he had no respect for anybody, and frequently shoved his nosecone down the side of any car that gave him even a quarter-chance. Also hilarious off track.

Personal Sympathy 7.0
Some sympathy yes, as his speed deserved more reward and he was occasionally let down by his team. Then again he proved many a time what an ego he was, and messed things up for himself in the most part.

by **FullMetalJack** » 01 Nov 2009, 09:59

JPM

Raw Pace 9.5
A seriously quick driver. On his day, he was at least as quick as Schumacher. His qualifying lap at Monza 2002 proved his raw pace along with his absolutely dominant drive at Hockenheim 2003.

Strategy 5.0
Wasn't a very strategic driver. His only concern was driving fast without thinking about strategy.

Personal Reliability 6.5
Definitely not the most reliable driver on the grid. He had flashes of consistency but very accident prone and made a lot of mistakes, usually down to overdriving the car. This cost him big.

Entertainment Value 10.0
Colombia's answer to Takuma Sato. Always willing to pull of dangerous moves on other drivers. Other entertaining moments are 'You f**king idiot, you broke my f**king head' and 'Raikkonen is a f**king idiot'

Personal Sympathy 8.0
He lost it sometimes. I wish he had better luck in his career and in my honest opinion, he deserved to win the 2003 championship. I bet a lot of people are going to disagree with me there. His performance at Hockenheim 2003 could well be drive of the decade.

by **Klon** » 01 Nov 2009, 10:42

Unoffical F1 Rejects Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,29688)
2.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,45833)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (7,35000)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Emotional Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (7,93750)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (7,67000)
3.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,33333)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Raw Pace Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
2.: Juan Pablo Montoya (8,77778)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (7,60000)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Strategic Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (6,30000)
3.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,77778)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Reliability Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (9,12500)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (7,55000)
3.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,66667)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Entertainment Ranking
1.: Juan Pablo Montoya (9,61111)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (8,05000)
3.: Michael Schumacher (5,81250)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Sympathy Ranking
1.: Rubens Barrichello (8,85000)
2.: Juan Pablo Montoya (6,83333)
3.: Michael Schumacher (6,50000)

Brother, my brother
Tell me what are we fighting for
We've got to end this war
We should love one another
Oh, can't we just pretend
This war never began
We can try
Brother, my brother
Blessed Union Of Souls - Brother, My Brother

You know who's coming up now:

*** RALF SCHUMACHER ***

Raw Pace - 7.0
He has Raw Pace but he didn't show it enough, passes such as the one against Michael (Hungary 2003) and David Coulthard (Europe 1999) showed his talent which unfortunately was overdone by his caution. His qualfiying pace varied through the years with 2003 being a highlight.

Strategic Ability - 7.5
Better than Montoya there, can keep his car steady with different fuel loads. As proof of this acts his DTM career: his lack of success only results from weak qualifyings, in the race itself he's as fast as he should be with his car.

Personal Reliability - 9.0
At this he succeds where other fail. After his years at Jordan, he became a very steady driver, by far not causing as much trouble as Montoya did and silently taking the leftover lion's share for him (e.g. Germany 2001).

Entertainment Value - 7.5
While his on-track showings were not so entertaining -of course, he still has his moments there - his off-track behaviour, while seemingly a bit arrogant, is entertaining and he has become a very valueable marketing factor for DTM.

Personal Sympathy - 10.0
Only Ralf Schumacher-supporter on this board over here

- I want him to get an F1 cockpit for 2010 (perhaps with Mercedes connection... hmmmm....)!
I liked him facing the trouble of being brother to possibly the best driver in F1 history and feel sympathy for that.

by **Tealy** » 01 Nov 2009, 11:05

Klon wrote:

Unoffical F1 Rejects Raw Pace Ranking
1.: Juan Pablo Montoya (8,77778)
2.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (7,60000)

Something doesnt quite add up there. Either the numbers are wrong or Schumacher should be top of that one.

I really like this thread, a lot of fun reminiscing about the old (for me) drivers. Will post my ratings for Ralf when I have the time to think it through.

by **Klon** » 01 Nov 2009, 11:27

Tealy wrote:
Klon wrote:

Unoffical F1 Rejects Raw Pace Ranking
1.: Juan Pablo Montoya (8,77778)
2.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (7,60000)

Something doesnt quite add up there. Either the numbers are wrong or Schumacher should be top of that one.

Fixed!

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by **Enforcer** » 03 Nov 2009, 04:15

Ralf:

Raw Pace - 7.0 He was quick enough without being the fastest man on the grid.

Strategic Ability - 6.5 Again, no major problems, but never someone I'd associate with masterful tactics.

Personal Reliability - 7.0 I wasn't sure what to give him for this, he cut out his wild-man side fairly early on, and obeyed team orders in Belgium in '98, where a lot of young drivers (bear in mind Ralf was on his way out of Jordan at the time) would've contemplated a kamikaze move. He was also pretty consistent at Williams for a few seasons. But towards the end of his Williams tenure and then at Toyota he wilted badly at times, so I'll dock him for that.

Entertainment Value - 7.5. Fun driver.

Personal Sympathy - 6.0 I was ambivalent to him at best.

by **Stramala** » 03 Nov 2009, 04:53

Ralf Schumacher

Raw Pace - 6.5
Quick, but not Michael quick.

Strategic Ability - 6.0
Not exactly known for pulling miracles out of the bag, unlike Michael.

Personal Reliability - 7.5
Steady most of the time, but had the odd spat at either end of his career span.

Entertainment Value - 4.0
Zzzzzz...I'm sorry, Michael has a brother, and he races in F1? I never knew...

Personal Sympathy - 2.0
Wouldn't stop whining about everything and anything, always looked like he was grimacing. You probably have all seen that press conference at Monza 2000 with MS beating Senna's record...and who was the first person to put their arm around the sobbing Schumi Snr? Hakkinen, not his own brother.
Infact I remember he said once he didn't even think of him like a brother, that they never talk or anything. Don't like him at all.

by **Phoenix** » 03 Nov 2009, 05:42

Heck, I hate this guy. Anyway...

Raw pace-8.0 It was very good when he had inspired days with Williams.
Strategic ability-7.0
Personal reliability-7.5
Entertainig value-5.0
Personal sympathy-0.0 He had a bloody idiot nature.

by **Klon** » 23 Nov 2009, 07:12

Unoffical F1 Rejects Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,29688)
2.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,45833)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (7,35000)
4.: Ralf Schumacher (6,90625)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Emotional Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (7,93750)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (7,67000)
3.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,33333)
4.: Ralf Schumacher (6,42500)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Raw Pace Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
2.: Juan Pablo Montoya (8,77778)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (7,60000)
4.: Ralf Schumacher (7,12500)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Strategic Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
2.: Ralf Schumacher (6,75000)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (6,30000)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,77778)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Reliability Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (9,12500)
2.: Ralf Schumacher (7,75000)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (7,55000)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,66667)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Entertainment Ranking
1.: Juan Pablo Montoya (9,61111)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (8,05000)
3.: Ralf Schumacher (6,00000)
4.: Michael Schumacher (5,81250)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Sympathy Ranking
1.: Rubens Barrichello (8,85000)
2.: Juan Pablo Montoya (6,83333)
3.: Michael Schumacher (6,50000)
4.: Ralf Schumacher (4,50000)

Quiero más atención por el piloto próxima:

*** MARC GENÉ ***

Raw Pace - 6.5
He has pace, but in Formula 1 he didn't always got it right on the track.

Strategic Ability - 6.0
Well, some of his Formula 1 drives were not so successful in this regard, I'm looking at his races in 2004.

Personal Reliability - 9.5
You cannot win the 24 Hours Of Le Mans if you are not reliable and you most certainly won't be a certified tester for 10 years.

Entertainment Value - 3.0
Well ... ehhh.... I ain't so sure what to say now...

Personal Sympathy - 5.0
To be honest, I don't really care about him.

by **Phoenix** » 23 Nov 2009, 07:45

It's "Quiero más atención para el próximo piloto". Still, a commendable effort

MARC GENÉ
Raw pace-6.5
Strategic ability-7.0
Personal reliability-8.5
Entertaining value-5.0
Personal simpathy-7.0

by **Stramala** » 23 Nov 2009, 08:16

Raw Pace - 5.0
A bit faster than Badoer. And thats about it. Though his time as a sub at Williams upped his reputation a little.

Strategic Ability - 4.0
His medicore talent meant he couldn't really pull off any spectacular strategies.

Personal Reliability - 8.0
He won Le Mans, the ultimate test of not binning your car trying to sprint the entire race. Though in F1 he still had a few shunts.

Entertainment Value - 2.0
When he was at Minardi I was too busy watching Hakkinen to acknowledge his existence. Ditto at Williams, only with...well, uh, everybody else on the track.

Personal Sympathy - 1.0
Had he not A) Been Badoer's team-mate and B) Won Le Mans, I probably would never have even noticed he was a Formula One driver.

Can we do someone historic after 2004? Like Gilles Villeneuve or Ronnie Peterson?

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