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by **Jordan** » 09 Nov 2009, 01:58

Well, look at it this way, any political jokes about any country and its respective politicians, no matter how seemingly unfit they are for service, is overshadowed by F1 politics and it's politicians :mrgreen:

by **watka** » 09 Nov 2009, 02:08

kostas22 wrote:
Debaser wrote:People are forgetting that Phil Hill won the title, and he was born in the US. And yes, I agree with Shinji with his anti-American sentiments, I mean Sarah Palin a serious politician???

I forget Hill won a title because by right he shouldn't really have won it, von Trips was championship leader until is fatal crash. So I guess its stuck in my mind that von Trips was champ when really he wasn't.

In that case, 4 of Fangio's championships weren't really fair because of Ascari's death.

by **Stramala** » 09 Nov 2009, 03:27

watka wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
Debaser wrote:People are forgetting that Phil Hill won the title, and he was born in the US. And yes, I agree with Shinji with his anti-American sentiments, I mean Sarah Palin a serious politician???

I forget Hill won a title because by right he shouldn't really have won it, von Trips was championship leader until is fatal crash. So I guess its stuck in my mind that von Trips was champ when really he wasn't.

In that case, 4 of Fangio's championships weren't really fair because of Ascari's death.

You took that way out of context.

by **shinji** » 09 Nov 2009, 03:31

kostas22 wrote:
watka wrote:
kostas22 wrote:I forget Hill won a title because by right he shouldn't really have won it, von Trips was championship leader until is fatal crash. So I guess its stuck in my mind that von Trips was champ when really he wasn't.

In that case, 4 of Fangio's championships weren't really fair because of Ascari's death.

You took that way out of context.

And it doesn't even make sense. Who's to say Ascari would have been in contention for those championships? At least with von Trips he would almost certainly have won were it not for his death.

by **fjackdaw** » 09 Nov 2009, 05:45

shinji wrote:
And it doesn't even make sense. Who's to say Ascari would have been in contention for those championships? At least with von Trips he would almost certainly have won were it not for his death.

Really, though, whoever wins the most points is the champion. Doesn't matter if someone else should have won it. Without wanting to sound harsh about the sad death of Wolfgang Von Trips (or, indeed, the spectators involved), to win the championship you have to be in a position to compete. Phil Hill is the rightful champion that year from having won the most points.

by **Cynon** » 09 Nov 2009, 05:47

@shinji - Yours was intended to be included. Americans are stupid, but no stupider than anyone else.

Debaser wrote:People are forgetting that Phil Hill won the title, and he was born in the US. And yes, I agree with Shinji with his anti-American sentiments, I mean Sarah Palin a serious politician???

Last thing I'll say, to inform the uninformed.

Sarah Palin was the Republican Party treating the voting public like idiots. Woman Figure + Publicity = Mass Votes!!! ... Yeah... um...

I just love to point out the similarities between F1 politics and US politics... The only major difference is that in F1 politics, the people involved are right in front of you, sort of like the WWE or whatever, in US politics... well, they just cut your education funding until you're so dumb you don't understand what they're doing, so they're not entertaining, and push a celebrity culture in your face to distract you from politics... so it's way easier for them to get away with *insert item government wants to get away with*, and with privately-owned news factions that tell you what to think, and with two parties that are very similar to each oth-... SIT DOWN.

Also, Barack Obama is as far left (Liberal = Left Wing, Conservative = Right Wing) a U.S. President will get in the foreseeable future, and he's at best only slightly left-of-center. Which is probably where Ari Vatanen stood. But since the FIA voters are waaaaaay more conservative than the U.S., they were not ready to elect change (something the U.S. could do with more of, admittedly), and instead elected John McC-... Jean Todt. Sorry. :oops:

Anyway... back to USF1... if it's anti-Peter Windsor sentiments, then that's fine and dandy, but for the love of all that is good and green (or just for the love of all that is good, there are some really nasty green things), do not let Peter Windsor identify all that is American. Even if USF1 laps the field at every grand prix and wins the championship, that won't identify all that is American. Why? They don't have a a major celebrity on their team for Americans to go gah-gah over. By this logic, Dale Earnhardt, Jr. as contractual lead driver at USF1 (because Americans are somewhat chauvanistic), with Danica Patrick as the contractual number two driver, but given the same expectations as the lead driver. Seeing as the lead driver would be Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (or just Dale Jr. from here on out, that's what he's known by most), that wouldn't be a tall order. Dale Jr. would masterfully wipe out all his competition in the pits by driving through his pit stall and smashing into the other cars, then fixing his front wing and going out to get the points scores he deserves!... Sort of. Danica Patrick would then be used as an example for all women drivers in the U.S. despite not being given a fair chance, because remember, if they're not white males, the first determines how good the rest are!

Ending rant, and leaving my sour grapes back on the sour grapevine I ordered directly from Ron Dennis.

by **CarlosFerreira** » 09 Nov 2009, 05:55

Guys?...

Does anyone here believe USF1 will be on the grid in 2010? Yes or no, hands-up vote.

I say "no".

by **Enrique Bernoldi** » 09 Nov 2009, 06:01

I'm going to say yes, Carlos.

Will they make it to the end of the season? Possibly not.

by **thehemogoblin** » 09 Nov 2009, 06:05

by **Henrique** » 09 Nov 2009, 06:26

Yes. Come on, not showing up would be too big of a scandal.

by **lostpin** » 09 Nov 2009, 06:37

No. And who cares, really?

by **shinji** » 09 Nov 2009, 06:38

Henrique wrote:Yes. Come on, not showing up would be too big of a scandal.

In F1, no gate is too big.

by **Enrique Bernoldi** » 09 Nov 2009, 06:39

lostpin wrote:No. And who cares, really?

I care - I want more teams on the grid! Even if they are doomed for eternal rejectdom.

by **rffp** » 09 Nov 2009, 06:44

I will stay on the wall and wait for more information on USF1!

About the politics, I used to be a mailing list moderator and I do tend to tread easy on politics and religion. Let us remember that people have a right to be Republicans and like Sarah Palin!

And Cynon, I am sorry to say but most American politicians pale in comparison to the scum that is elected here in Brazil in terms of outright corruption and lack of any decency or morality!

by **Stramala** » 09 Nov 2009, 06:55

shinji wrote:
Henrique wrote:Yes. Come on, not showing up would be too big of a scandal.

In F1, no gate is too big.

WhythehelldidUSF1notturnup-gate isn't big enough? I dunno what is...

by **CarlosFerreira** » 09 Nov 2009, 07:53

rffp wrote:I will stay on the wall and wait for more information on USF1!

No half-pints, that's politician's territory. Come clean: yes or no?

by **rffp** » 09 Nov 2009, 09:25

CarlosFerreira wrote:
rffp wrote:I will stay on the wall and wait for more information on USF1!

No half-pints, that's politician's territory. Come clean: yes or no?

OK man!

No, I think they will fold by december!

by **Fitch** » 09 Nov 2009, 13:42

Why the hell are we and everyone so damned focused on USF1?? What about Manor, Campos, Lotus....Renault?........

Why is that USF1 is getting WAY More shite from the F1 Community, especially when we have this Croatian Nut-Job who claims he's Going to have two cars ON THE GRID at Bahrain REGARDLESS of if he actually has an entry??.....

Why aren't we reading about "F1 Readiness" People visiting Lotus, or Manor, or Campos???

BTW: Mr. Healy-Rae.....he looks legit.....I'd vote for him....especially if he's offering Ice Cream Cones

by **Captain Hammer** » 09 Nov 2009, 13:57

Fitch, people are focused on them because they do not have any racing experience. Campos was a GP2 team. Manor has campaigned in F3 before. Lotus absorbed the Lotus-Litespeed project and swung it an upgrade money-wise. And Renault have been competing for year and have given a clear indication on when we can expect to hear bout their plans. But USF1 has no racing expereince at all. They have never competed in any of the lower formulae. They are not a new incarnation of an old team, like Honda becoming Brawn. They do not have manufacturer or government backing. And they are focused on building the car far away from motosport's "silicon valley", the United Kingdom. Every other team is based in Western Europe. As for Zoran Stefanovic, you're the only person who is taking him as seriously as he is. If he shows up in Bahrain, he'll be turned away.

On paper, USF1 are sketchy. I think they'll make it, but I think they're being their own worst enemies. I do, however, hope they can prove me wrong. It's the idiocy that is rampant on the internet that gets me. I've seen moronic claims that the tour of the facilities SPEED did (which they broadcast at the time of the Abu Dhai Grand Prix) was all staged, including the placement of the machines to make the cars. A lot of people think it's a hoax or a fraud, with Peter Windsor intending to sell the team at the last minute and make a profit ot ten or twenty million dollars and leave everyone else out in the cold.

In actual news, Nick Craw - the newly-elected President of the FIA Senate - was interviewed on SPEED and he said that USF1 paid the US$440,000 entry fee for 2010 ten days ago, a fee which is not refundable.

by **CarlosFerreira** » 09 Nov 2009, 19:27

Fitch wrote:Why the hell are we and everyone so damned focused on USF1?? What about Manor, Campos, Lotus....Renault?........

We are. This is the thread about USF1, there are threads for those companies as well. Somehow, having Mike Gascoygne on board makes Lotus a bit more credible (people will disagree), and the Simtek connection, if it's true, gives Manor some kudos as well.

by **Waris** » 09 Nov 2009, 20:52

Fitch wrote: Why is that USF1 is getting WAY More shite from the F1 Community, especially when we have this Croatian Nut-Job who claims he's Going to have two cars ON THE GRID at Bahrain REGARDLESS of if he actually has an entry??.....

Zoran Stefanovic is Serbian, not Croatian.
Peter Windsor isn't completely American, he was born in... um, either Australia or Great Britain, but I think he grew up in Australia. Enoch and Jamie should know this. Anyway, it would be dumb to focus anti-American sentiments on him.
And CarlosFerreira, the Simtek connection only gives Manor a good chance to come up with a ridiculously badly designed car, if anything...

by **Valrys** » 09 Nov 2009, 23:36

Waris wrote:And CarlosFerreira, the Simtek connection only gives Manor a good chance to come up with a ridiculously badly designed car, if anything...

O'rly? I don't think anything Wirth/Simtek have ever designed can be considered rediculously bad.......

by **CarlosFerreira** » 10 Nov 2009, 00:09

Valrys wrote:
Waris wrote:And CarlosFerreira, the Simtek connection only gives Manor a good chance to come up with a ridiculously badly designed car, if anything...

O'rly? I don't think anything Wirth/Simtek have ever designed can be considered rediculously bad.......

And, besides, I rather liked Simtek.

by **Stramala** » 10 Nov 2009, 03:16

Valrys wrote:
Waris wrote:And CarlosFerreira, the Simtek connection only gives Manor a good chance to come up with a ridiculously badly designed car, if anything...

O'rly? I don't think anything Wirth/Simtek have ever designed can be considered rediculously bad.......

Hello? Simtek S921? Are you new here? :lol:

Yeah, it was run by one of the worst teams in the sport, but still...it clearly wasn't a fast car.

by **Collieafc** » 10 Nov 2009, 03:23

I said it before and I will say it again...

Collieafc wrote:I'm sensing US F1 to be the constructors version of Michael Andretti...

Off track issues before the season has started...

by **Valrys** » 10 Nov 2009, 03:34

kostas22 wrote:
Valrys wrote:
Waris wrote:And CarlosFerreira, the Simtek connection only gives Manor a good chance to come up with a ridiculously badly designed car, if anything...

O'rly? I don't think anything Wirth/Simtek have ever designed can be considered rediculously bad.......

Hello? Simtek S921? Are you new here?
Yeah, it was run by one of the worst teams in the sport, but still...it clearly wasn't a fast car.

There's a difference to between not being quick, and being very, very bad as Waris implied a Simtek design would be. With a good engine, some development and a competant team, the S921 would have graced the grid far more often imo. Also that was Wirths first F1 design, and so to crucify him based on that would be silly

by **Fitch** » 10 Nov 2009, 05:00

didn't Nick Wirth Design and Build the Acura LMP Cars??

by **RejectSteve** » 10 Nov 2009, 05:14

Fitch wrote:didn't Nick Wirth Design and Build the Acura LMP Cars??

Yes, Wirth Research was involved in that project. The LMP1 specificiation ARX-02a was entirely designed on CFD and didn't spend time in the wind tunnel at all. The preceding LMP2 ARX-01a (and later, b) were extensively modified Courage LC75s, IIRC, which were subsequently rehomologated as Acuras.

Ken Anderson has been involved in racing on both sides of the Atlantic, notably as a suspension specialist with Penske.

by **Bleu** » 10 Nov 2009, 05:29

At least Manor and Campos have teams already, their problem is to upgrade it to be good enough for F1.

by **Valrys** » 10 Nov 2009, 05:50

Bleu wrote:At least Manor and Campos have teams already, their problem is to upgrade it to be good enough for F1.

Technically Campos doesn't, he sold his GP2 team to Barwa Addax in 2008 if I remember correctly

by **shinji** » 10 Nov 2009, 06:13

Looking back over this thread, it becomes clear that mentioning Stefan GP gives a thread the kiss of death. It never came back on topic, and no one really cares, 'cos this was epic; race wars, politics, Jackie Healy Rae, not to mention the most random post ever, God blase her.

by **CarlosFerreira** » 10 Nov 2009, 06:39

Valrys wrote:
Bleu wrote:At least Manor and Campos have teams already, their problem is to upgrade it to be good enough for F1.

Technically Campos doesn't, he sold his GP2 team to Barwa Addax in 2008 if I remember correctly

Insert Murray Walker voice: "... and what is Campos doing?".

by **Phoenix** » 10 Nov 2009, 06:44

shinji wrote:Looking back over this thread, it becomes clear that mentioning Stefan GP gives a thread the kiss of death. It never came back on topic, and no one really cares, 'cos this was epic; race wars, politics, Jackie Healy Rae, not to mention the most random post ever, God blase her.

Hey, I'm sorry. I didn't know things would rot so much :oops:

and my apologizes to thehemogoblin for misspelling his name :oops:

Having said that, USF1 will grace the grid eventually, I'm sure. We're in late 2009 folks!

by **noisebox** » 10 Nov 2009, 06:54

RejectSteve wrote:
Fitch wrote:didn't Nick Wirth Design and Build the Acura LMP Cars??

Yes, Wirth Research was involved in that project. The LMP1 specificiation ARX-02a was entirely designed on CFD and didn't spend time in the wind tunnel at all. The preceding LMP2 ARX-01a (and later, b) were extensively modified Courage LC75s, IIRC, which were subsequently rehomologated as Acuras.

Ken Anderson has been involved in racing on both sides of the Atlantic, notably as a suspension specialist with Penske.

I'm sure I've read that the Manor car is going to be designed by CFD only - big risk, I think.

by **RejectSteve** » 10 Nov 2009, 08:52

Valrys wrote:
Bleu wrote:At least Manor and Campos have teams already, their problem is to upgrade it to be good enough for F1.

Technically Campos doesn't, he sold his GP2 team to Barwa Addax in 2008 if I remember correctly

What Campos does have is a Spanish F3 team.

by **CarlosFerreira** » 10 Nov 2009, 09:01

noisebox wrote:
RejectSteve wrote:
Fitch wrote:didn't Nick Wirth Design and Build the Acura LMP Cars??

Yes, Wirth Research was involved in that project. The LMP1 specificiation ARX-02a was entirely designed on CFD and didn't spend time in the wind tunnel at all. The preceding LMP2 ARX-01a (and later, b) were extensively modified Courage LC75s, IIRC, which were subsequently rehomologated as Acuras.

Ken Anderson has been involved in racing on both sides of the Atlantic, notably as a suspension specialist with Penske.

I'm sure I've read that the Manor car is going to be designed by CFD only - big risk, I think.

Someone, somewhere, somehow asked himself: How hard can it be? :lol:

by **rffp** » 10 Nov 2009, 09:49

kostas22 wrote:
Valrys wrote:
Waris wrote:And CarlosFerreira, the Simtek connection only gives Manor a good chance to come up with a ridiculously badly designed car, if anything...

O'rly? I don't think anything Wirth/Simtek have ever designed can be considered rediculously bad.......

Hello? Simtek S921? Are you new here?
Yeah, it was run by one of the worst teams in the sport, but still...it clearly wasn't a fast car.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the Simtek car used by Andrea Moda already an aged car by the time it came to Interlagos in 1992?

by **fjackdaw** » 10 Nov 2009, 09:59

Waris wrote:Anyway, it would be dumb to focus anti-American sentiments on him.

Anti-American sentiments are dumb anyway.

by **thehemogoblin** » 10 Nov 2009, 10:39

fjackdaw wrote:
Waris wrote:Anyway, it would be dumb to focus anti-American sentiments on him.

Anti-American sentiments are dumb anyway.

Thank you!

Dear foreigners:

Please hate the Republicans. It's not my fault that they ran our international relations into the ground for the last eight years. Please remember this when criticizing my country (ESPECIALLY if you're French or British, because you guys still really owe us for that World War II thing).

Love,

America

by **RejectSteve** » 10 Nov 2009, 15:32

thehemogoblin wrote:(ESPECIALLY if you're French or British, because you guys still really owe us for that World War II thing).

The Americans are overpaid, oversexed, and over here. :lol:

I'd make an argument against the British owing the US for that one but I digress for the sake of the thread.

rffp wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the Simtek car used by Andrea Moda already an aged car by the time it came to Interlagos in 1992?

It was a Simtek design study the previous season for a certain German manufacturer in 1991. That company? BMW.

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