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by **Waris** » 25 Dec 2009, 10:45

I normally don't post in this thread, but I had to make an exception for one of my all-time favourite drivers.

Raw pace - 7.0 He was fast in the Williams, but then everyone would have been. When the car was bad ('98 Williams and '99 BAR), he wasn't as far near the front, but you could still see him push the car to the limit, which resulted in a few nice unexpected podiums. When he came back in the Renault in 2004 he seemed to have lost a bit of his speed, but that was to be expected without proper preparation, so I'm sure he'll get back to speed if he comes back in 2010.
Strategic ability - 7.0 I am not a very good judge of this, but I'll use my memory of the fact that he had some podiums in the early 2000s that were beyond the capabilities of the car he drove in to rate this.
Personal reliability - 6.0 I'm going to give him an average rating here, because again, my memory isn't very good on this one, but I seem to remember him perform inconsistently and make a number of dumb mistakes.
Entertaining value - 9.0 It was always fun to watch him! He often said dumb things or had beef with various people, so there was always controversy, which was good because it brought life to the sport. Nowadays it's too bland and the drivers are almost all dull PR machines, so I desperately yearn for F1 to Bring Back Jacques.
Personal sympathy - 9.0 This choice may be a little bit controversial, but seriously, I like the man. I once read a driver said about him that he always talked nonsense, but I've read interviews with him and frankly I don't see that. He seems to have a strong opinion about many things that I often agree with. He's a bit of a rebel and a loner in the F1 world, which attracts me to him. And maybe it has to do something with him being the son of Gilles. Anyhow, I have great sympathy for him.

by **Klon** » 27 Dec 2009, 00:21

Unoffical F1 Rejects Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,29688)
2.: David Coulthard (7,70000)
3.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,45833)
4.: Rubens Barrichello (7,35000)
5.: Kimi Räikkönen (7,25000)
6.: Ralf Schumacher (6,90625)
7.: Jarno Trulli (5,89286)
8.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,80357)
9.: Marc Gené (5,67500)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Emotional Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (7,93750)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (7,67000)
3.: David Coulthard (7,56000)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,33333)
5.: Kimi Räikkönen (6,58571)
6.: Ralf Schumacher (6,42500)
7.: Jarno Trulli (5,57143)
8.: Marc Gené (5,52000)
9.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,47142)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Raw Pace Ranking
1.: Kimi Räikkönen (9,64286)
2.: Michael Schumacher (9,37500)
3.: Juan Pablo Montoya (8,77778)
4.: Jarno Trulli (7,78571)
5.: Rubens Barrichello (7,60000)
6.: David Coulthard (7,30000)
7.: Ralf Schumacher (7,12500)
8.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,71429)
9.: Marc Gené (5,60000)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Strategic Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
2.: Kimi Räikkönen (7,85714)
3.: David Coulthard (7,20000)
4.: Ralf Schumacher (6,75000)
5.: Rubens Barrichello (6,30000)
6.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,77778)
7.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,64286)
8.: Marc Gené (5,40000)
9.: Jarno Trulli (4,21429)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Reliability Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (9,12500)
2.: Marc Gené (8,20000)
3.: Ralf Schumacher (7,75000)
4.: Rubens Barrichello (7,55000)
5.: Jarno Trulli (7,42857)
6.: David Coulthard (7,40000)
7.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,66667)
8.: Kimi Räikkönen (5,64286)
9.: Jacques Villeneuve (4,92857)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Entertainment Ranking
1.: Juan Pablo Montoya (9,61111)
2.: David Coulthard (8,90000)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (8,05000)
4.: Jacques Villeneuve (6,92857)
5.: Ralf Schumacher (6,00000)
6.: Kimi Räikkönen (5,85714)
7.: Michael Schumacher (5,81250)
8.: Jarno Trulli (4,14286)
9.: Marc Gené (3,50000)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Sympathy Ranking
1.: Rubens Barrichello (8,85000)
2.: David Coulthard (7,00000)
3.: Juan Pablo Montoya (6,83333)
4.: Michael Schumacher (6,50000)
5.: Marc Gené (4,90000)
6.: Ralf Schumacher (4,50000)
7.: Jarno Trulli (4,28571)
8.: Jacques Villeneuve (4,14286)
9.: Kimi Räikkönen (3,92857)

Quiero utilizar eso frase española innecesario para anunciar el próximo piloto

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*** FERNANDO ALONSO ***

Raw Pace - 9.0
He is very quick on the track and in low-fuel qualifying. And he put his 08/09-Renault on places where they didn't belong (even though he was very light)

Strategic Ability - 8.5
He is no Michael Schumacher, although he has beaten him before (e.g. Bahrain 06), but he can keep strategies on top.

Personal Reliability - 6.5
While is car developing skills are extremely valueable and he doesn't crash too often, his backstage politics and demand for one-driver teams makes him lose points in this regard.

Entertainment Value - 8.0
He can and he does overtake and his fits of rage are able to either start a heated debate and/or allow to make good fun of him

Personal Sympathy - 3.5
His McLaren year costed him with many people just like myself. And of course his "holier than thou"-attitude to Crashgate... not my favourite, but there are worse.

by **Enforcer** » 27 Dec 2009, 04:25

Nando -

Raw Pace - 8.5 Faster than most, not sure he's world class driver quick though.

Strategic - 7.5 Getting your team-mate to crash and bring out the safety car. Brilliant

. Nah, he's a good strategist.

Reliability - 7.0 Doesn't crash the car much, can't think of any unforced errors. But the whole Qualigate/Spygate thing showed a petulant streak and propensity to sulk in him, which is never good to see in a driver.

Entertainment - 7.0 Good on the track, created a bit of fun off it.

Personal Sympathy 7.5 - I'd give him an ambivalent 5 or 6 on his own merit, whilst undoubtedly talented, I think he only won the Championship in 05 and 06 because the 05 Ferrari was a shit-sandwich and Schumi's engine blew in the penultimate race in '06. But, I'm actually giving him more points for 2007, because I think Dennis and the media were all over Hamilton from the first race and that does have an effect. I reckon if Hamilton hadn't been someone Dennis had sponsored and loved from the age of 10 or whatever, he would've won in 2007.

by **Phoenix** » 27 Dec 2009, 04:52

FERNANDO ALONSO

Raw pace-8.5
Strategic ability-8.5
Personal reliability-9.5
Entertaining value-7.0
Personal simpathy-10 (not because he's Spanish like me, but because he's very professional, serious, and knows how to keep his head cool. The fact I'm a big fan of him may help, but that'd be the case with Fangio or Senna as well).

And please, don't use Google translator. The phrase has genre concordance mistakes :ugeek:

by **Klon** » 27 Dec 2009, 05:35

Phoenix wrote:And please, don't use Google translator. The phrase has genre concordance mistakes

I didn't. I only looked up "innecesario". The rest of the sentence came from my head. Well, Gratituous Foreign Languages make one look stupid, so that'll be the last one. ^_^'

Website · by **Wizzie** » 27 Dec 2009, 12:50

Haven't done one in a while:
Raw Pace - 9 Most of the time he's up there with the best of the best and he's the only driver on the grid who's beaten Schumacher in a straight fight.

Strategic - 8 Makes most stratagies work for him and if he gets a bad one (Monaco 05) he trys to make the best of a bad situation

Reliability - 78 On track he's pretty reliable although he does have his off races (Canada 07) and the occasional error does creep in (Monza 04, Spain 07 and Japan 07)

Entertainment - 7.5 Exciting on track, created some fun off it :twisted:

Personal Sympathy - 7. 5 On the basis of the last 2 seasons alone he should be scoring a 9 or a 9.5 considering the crappy machinery Renault (In 2008 he scored over 75% of Renault's points and this year he scored all of Renault's points and their only poduim) have given him which were nowhere near giving his considerable talent justice but he lost points thanks to the McLaren saga in 07 (He could have, should have and would have won the championship if it weren't for Sato in Canada and Heidfeld in Bahrain :mrgreen:

).

And I'm not even a fan of the guy

by **Waris** » 28 Dec 2009, 04:24

Phoenix wrote:And please, don't use Google translator. The phrase has genre concordance mistakes

Your mother has "genre concordance mistakes".
edit: sorry, I know it's very rude to insult someone's mother in Spanish culture, but on the internet it's rather accepted as you might have noticed, so i figured you wouldn't mind too much.

by **Phoenix** » 28 Dec 2009, 04:32

Waris wrote:
Phoenix wrote:And please, don't use Google translator. The phrase has genre concordance mistakes

Your mother has "genre concordance mistakes".
edit: sorry, I know it's very rude to insult someone's mother in Spanish culture, but on the internet it's rather accepted as you might have noticed, so i figured you wouldn't mind too much.

It's a lame joke, or you had a bad day?

I must stop being so correctional.

by **Waris** » 28 Dec 2009, 05:15

Phoenix wrote:
Waris wrote:
Phoenix wrote:And please, don't use Google translator. The phrase has genre concordance mistakes

Your mother has "genre concordance mistakes".
edit: sorry, I know it's very rude to insult someone's mother in Spanish culture, but on the internet it's rather accepted as you might have noticed, so i figured you wouldn't mind too much.

It's a lame joke, or you had a bad day?

I must stop being so correctional.

No, you're entirely right. I should stop making lame jokes.

by **Phoenix** » 28 Dec 2009, 05:33

Waris wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Waris wrote:Your mother has "genre concordance mistakes".
edit: sorry, I know it's very rude to insult someone's mother in Spanish culture, but on the internet it's rather accepted as you might have noticed, so i figured you wouldn't mind too much.

It's a lame joke, or you had a bad day?

I must stop being so correctional.

No, you're entirely right. I should stop making lame jokes.

It's OK then. But only if I can use a lame joke to insult your parents.

by **Klon** » 28 Dec 2009, 05:45

Phoenix wrote:It's OK then. But only if I can use a lame joke to insult your parents.

Ooooh ... 'Yo Mama Fight!'. And to think it all started due to me not being good in my Spanish class.

by **Phoenix** » 29 Dec 2009, 09:01

Klon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:It's OK then. But only if I can use a lame joke to insult your parents.

Ooooh ... 'Yo Mama Fight!'. And to think it all started due to me not being good in my Spanish class.

Don't force to attack you using lame jokes...

by **tristan1117** » 29 Dec 2009, 11:06

Fernando Alonso:

Raw Pace: 9.0
Strategic Ability- 8.0
Reliability- 7.5
Entertainment- 9.0
Personal Sympathy- 9.5

by **Tealy** » 31 Dec 2009, 04:27

Fernando Alonso

Raw Pace - 9.0
Not the quickest guy outright but he is right up there.

Strategic Ability - 9.0
He is a good strategic driver. He almost always has the right strategy in place for a race.

Personal Reliability - 8.0
Ultra reliable in the car. If you can manage his ego he can be a great team leader.

Entertainment Value - 8.5
An exiting driver who took the challenge to Schumacher. Not the most banzai guy out there but more interesting than most.

Personal Sympathy - 6.0
As much as I hate his ego and overall attitude, he gets some sympathy from me for never getting in the right car at the right time (McLaren 07, Renault 08 and 09)

by **Klon** » 05 Jan 2010, 09:38

Unoffical F1 Rejects Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,29688)
2.: Fernando Alonso (8,12500)
3.: David Coulthard (7,70000)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,45833)
5.: Rubens Barrichello (7,35000)
6.: Kimi Räikkönen (7,25000)
7.: Ralf Schumacher (6,90625)
8.: Jarno Trulli (5,89286)
9.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,80357)
10.: Marc Gené (5,67500)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Emotional Driver's Ranking
1.: Fernando Alonso (7,96667)
2.: Michael Schumacher (7,93750)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (7,67000)
4.: David Coulthard (7,56000)
5.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,33333)
6.: Kimi Räikkönen (6,58571)
7.: Ralf Schumacher (6,42500)
8.: Jarno Trulli (5,57143)
9.: Marc Gené (5,52000)
10.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,47142)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Raw Pace Ranking
1.: Kimi Räikkönen (9,64286)
2.: Michael Schumacher (9,37500)
3.: Fernando Alonso (8,83333)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (8,77778)
5.: Jarno Trulli (7,78571)
6.: Rubens Barrichello (7,60000)
7.: David Coulthard (7,30000)
8.: Ralf Schumacher (7,12500)
9.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,71429)
10.: Marc Gené (5,60000)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Strategic Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
2.: Fernando Alonso (8,25000)
3.: Kimi Räikkönen (7,85714)
4.: David Coulthard (7,20000)
5.: Ralf Schumacher (6,75000)
6.: Rubens Barrichello (6,30000)
7.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,77778)
8.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,64286)
9.: Marc Gené (5,40000)
10.: Jarno Trulli (4,21429)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Reliability Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (9,12500)
2.: Marc Gené (8,20000)
3.: Ralf Schumacher (7,75000)
4.: Fernando Alonso (7,58333)
5.: Rubens Barrichello (7,55000)
6.: Jarno Trulli (7,42857)
7.: David Coulthard (7,40000)
8.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,66667)
9.: Kimi Räikkönen (5,64286)
10.: Jacques Villeneuve (4,92857)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Entertainment Ranking
1.: Juan Pablo Montoya (9,61111)
2.: David Coulthard (8,90000)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (8,05000)
4.: Fernando Alonso (7,83333)
5.: Jacques Villeneuve (6,92857)
6.: Ralf Schumacher (6,00000)
7.: Kimi Räikkönen (5,85714)
8.: Michael Schumacher (5,81250)
9.: Jarno Trulli (4,14286)
10.: Marc Gené (3,50000)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Sympathy Ranking
1.: Rubens Barrichello (8,85000)
2.: Fernando Alonso (7,33333)
3.: David Coulthard (7,00000)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (6,83333)
5.: Michael Schumacher (6,50000)
6.: Marc Gené (4,90000)
7.: Ralf Schumacher (4,50000)
8.: Jarno Trulli (4,28571)
9.: Jacques Villeneuve (4,14286)
10.: Kimi Räikkönen (3,92857)

And it's "World Champion Time":

*** JENSON BUTTON ***

Raw Pace - 5.0
While he is sometimes able to overtake if he needs to, his low-fuel runs and low-fuel qualifying efforts are not at the top of the game. Note the fact that in his championship winning hear, he got outqualified by Barrichello.

Strategic Ability - 7.0
Had an edge over most of his competitors this year in regards to this topic. Can do what they ask him to do but won't ever archive miracles.

Personal Reliability - 8.0
Reliability is where he is best at, after having some odd mistakes in his first year, he became a reliable driver which was one of the things that won him the title in 09 - no start problems, no penalties, no nothing.

Entertainment Value - 3.5
Has rare good showings as Brazil this year, and his attitude is very sponsor-friendly. But things like complaining about Kobayashi overtaking you because it is too "dangerous" and his utter lack of controversity of any kind presents a brilliant example of what is wrong with F1 today.

Personal Sympathy - 1.0
No, I really don't like him and I refuse too. As explained above, I think he and his attitude are perfect displays of modern F1 and why it comes across sometimes as very boring. Furthermore he fought and (quite luckily) beat Barrichello, which, as you know already, was my hope for winning the title ... oh, and his dad is annoying as hell, only matched by Anthony Hamilton

by **Enforcer** » 05 Jan 2010, 09:46

Jenson

Raw Pace - 7.0 He's not without ability and when the car is to his liking he is pretty quick. His let-down is his inability to transcend average machinery, but I'll hit him harder for personal reliability on that.

Strategic Ability - 7.0 He's fairly good at this without it being a cornerstone of his driving.

Personal Reliability - 5.0. He really hasn't had too many errors since his Trulli-smashing spree in 2001, but I'm docking him because he needs the car to be set in a very specific way in order to be competitive. He's usually been bettered by his team-mates when driving a car that was troublesome.

Entertainment - 5.0. Not really good or bad for this.

Personal Sympathy - 3.0. I've never been a huge fan, and Buttonmania hasn't helped.

by **Tealy** » 05 Jan 2010, 20:57

JENSON BUTTON

Raw Pace - 7.5
He is never exceptionally quick but what he can do is get the job done if the car is set up correctly. Certainly no slouch though.

Strategic Ability - 7.0
A conservative driver who never wins or loses races because of strategy really. Solid if unspectacular.

Personal Reliability - 8.5
He will get the car home. He rarely makes costly mistakes and this is what helped his title challenge this year once the car went off the boil.

Entertainment Value - 5.0
He's a nice guy but other than that he really doesn't stand out in F1 at all.

Personal Sympathy - 8.5
I'm not a Button fan but the guy has had to work with some mediocre cars in the past. He usually drove well and looked like he deserved a top car. Last year he finally got one and won the title and what does he get? A bunch of people saying he doesn't deserve it and isn't good enough. I sympathise with him because he has done nothing to deserve all this hatred.

EDIT: Hate the idiotic Buttonmania fans, not the driver

by **Phoenix** » 05 Jan 2010, 21:47

JENSON BUTTON

Raw pace-7.0
Strategic ability-7.0
Personal reliability-8.0
Entertaining value-5.0 (perhaps more off-track-7.5)
Personal simpathy-7.0

by **Python** » 08 Jan 2010, 03:04

JENSON BUTTON

Raw Pace - 7.0

Strategic Ability - 7.0

Personal Reliability - 8.5

Entertainment Value - 3.0 - He seem to bland for my tastes. I like my drivers to be on the controversial side.

Personal Sympathy - 1.0 - I don't like him at all. Part because of what I said above about him being a little too vanilla personality wise, and second he only won the title because the MB engines are good and the Honda built chassis was good too. I told my dad that if he doesn't get a good car next year he won't do crap like a lot of other British drivers I've seen that happen too (Mansell in CART, Hamilton last year.)

by **danardif1** » 08 Jan 2010, 03:27

JENSON BUTTON

Raw Pace - 7.5

Strategic Ability - Potentially 9.0 plus, based on Malaysia Schumi-style stint, but regularly 8.0

Personal Reliability - 8.5 - Known for bringing the car home, and confidence in overtaking and doing it well...

Entertainment Value - 8.0 - Some of his overtaking (and not just this year, all the way back) is so precise and measured that it is actually more sanitised than some of the banzai moves that the likes of Hamilton are fond of, but even so they are sometimes so good that I can't help but imitate my dad and jump up out my seat in excitement... the Brazil ones were so good (especially the 'intention' oversteer flick he did on Buemi)... his driving style seems to be conservative, but again that allows him to multi-task in a way and lets him get these overtakes spot on.

Personal Sympathy - 7.0-10.0 - It can range for me, I've supported him his whole F1 career, but like others have said his style doesn't really inspire me like Hamilton's or Rosberg's do (nevertheless it is a very good style to have), and I think I was more pleased, chuffed, elated and astounded at his Brazil performance and Champ win than any other time since Damon Hill's win in 96... He seems very grounded and affable, not a tempered 'genius' like Alonso claims to be, and not as prone to bouts of Ronspeak like poor Lewis...

by **Klon** » 08 Jan 2010, 05:50

Unoffical F1 Rejects Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,29688)
2.: Fernando Alonso (8,12500)
3.: David Coulthard (7,70000)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,45833)
5.: Rubens Barrichello (7,35000)
6.: Kimi Räikkönen (7,25000)
7.: Ralf Schumacher (6,90625)
8.: Jenson Button (6,70833)
9.: Jarno Trulli (5,89286)
10.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,80357)
11.: Marc Gené (5,67500)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Emotional Driver's Ranking
1.: Fernando Alonso (7,96667)
2.: Michael Schumacher (7,93750)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (7,67000)
4.: David Coulthard (7,56000)
5.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,33333)
6.: Kimi Räikkönen (6,58571)
7.: Ralf Schumacher (6,42500)
8.: Jenson Button (6,31667)
9.: Jarno Trulli (5,57143)
10.: Marc Gené (5,52000)
11.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,47142)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Raw Pace Ranking
1.: Kimi Räikkönen (9,64286)
2.: Michael Schumacher (9,37500)
3.: Fernando Alonso (8,83333)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (8,77778)
5.: Jarno Trulli (7,78571)
6.: Rubens Barrichello (7,60000)
7.: David Coulthard (7,30000)
8.: Ralf Schumacher (7,12500)
9.: Jenson Button (6,83333)
10.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,71429)
11.: Marc Gené (5,60000)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Strategic Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
2.: Fernando Alonso (8,25000)
3.: Kimi Räikkönen (7,85714)
4.: David Coulthard (7,20000)
5.: Jenson Button (7,16667)
6.: Ralf Schumacher (6,75000)
7.: Rubens Barrichello (6,30000)
8.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,77778)
9.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,64286)
10.: Marc Gené (5,40000)
11.: Jarno Trulli (4,21429)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Reliability Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (9,12500)
2.: Marc Gené (8,20000)
3.: Ralf Schumacher (7,75000)
3.: Jenson Button (7,75000)
5.: Fernando Alonso (7,58333)
6.: Rubens Barrichello (7,55000)
7.: Jarno Trulli (7,42857)
8.: David Coulthard (7,40000)
9.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,66667)
10.: Kimi Räikkönen (5,64286)
11.: Jacques Villeneuve (4,92857)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Entertainment Ranking
1.: Juan Pablo Montoya (9,61111)
2.: David Coulthard (8,90000)
3.: Rubens Barrichello (8,05000)
4.: Fernando Alonso (7,83333)
5.: Jacques Villeneuve (6,92857)
6.: Ralf Schumacher (6,00000)
7.: Kimi Räikkönen (5,85714)
8.: Michael Schumacher (5,81250)
9.: Jenson Button (4,91667)
10.: Jarno Trulli (4,14286)
11.: Marc Gené (3,50000)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Sympathy Ranking
1.: Rubens Barrichello (8,85000)
2.: Fernando Alonso (7,33333)
3.: David Coulthard (7,00000)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (6,83333)
5.: Michael Schumacher (6,50000)
6.: Marc Gené (4,90000)
7.: Jenson Button (4,75000)
8.: Ralf Schumacher (4,50000)
9.: Jarno Trulli (4,28571)
10.: Jacques Villeneuve (4,14286)
11.: Kimi Räikkönen (3,92857)

Now the driver who everyone seems to have forgotten since Kobayashi has appeared:

*** TAKUMA SATO ***

Raw Pace - 8.0
Very fast indeed, he has put a Super Aguri in Q3, in 2004, he fought closely with Schumacher in Ferrari in some qualifying sessions. Furthermore he can (obviously) overtake and does it if he has too.

Strategic Ability - 7.0
Well, as with many drivers, he is just as good as his strategy is, but he never failed or win dramatically in this, although that admittedly may only be a lack of memory here.

Personal Reliability - 6.0
Well he certainly has troubles with his engines and while theories about experimental parts on his 2004 BAR exist, they aren't so likely to be true. He also had an off-year in 2005, but on the other hand, he became a very reliable leader for SAF1.

Entertainment Value - 10.0
I couldn't possibly think about a more entertaining driver in the world of Formula 1, his scenes are very good, his manouvres, even his crashes, are very breathtaking. And of course such an apparentely good-hearted person gives the fans something to cheer about

Personal Sympathy - 10.0
My favourite driver by far. Well, the reasons are explained pretty much in "Entertainment Value". I want him baaaaaaack!

by **Phoenix** » 08 Jan 2010, 07:23

TAKUMA SATO!!!

Raw pace-4.0/8.5 (it depends on the day).
Strategic ability-6.0
Personal reliability-4.0, but when he matured, 7.0
Entertainment value-9.5
Persoanl simpathy-8.5 (pretty much every Japanese is likeable).

by **thehemogoblin** » 08 Jan 2010, 07:28

Taku-

Raw pace: 7.5. He's definitely fast, but he's not the best in the field.

Strategic ability: 7. He never seemed to overperform or underperform in comparison to his strategy.

Personal reliability: 4. He came a long way after Bonsai, not Banzai, but that definitely still plays in his career.

Entertainment value: 10. He passed Alonso.

Personal sympathy: 10. Dude. Super Aguri.

by **shinji** » 08 Jan 2010, 07:33

Sato

Raw Pace - 7.5 - He qualified a Super Aguri 10th, no one else ever did that

Strategic Ability - 5 - Don't really remember him being to adept at this, he wasn't bad either

Personal Reliability - 4.5 - Not the most steady of drivers. You have to take 2002 in to account, so it has to be 4.5

Entertainment Value - 10 - Bonzai

Personal Sympathy - 10 - He got me on to Nippony drivers

by **BlindCaveSalamander** » 08 Jan 2010, 07:45

Takuma Sato

Raw pace - 7.5 - Can be very fast, but those days are few and far in between. Most of the time, he's in the good-but-not-great section.
Strategic ability - 7 - Alright, but not outstanding in any way
Personal reliability - 6.5 - His main weak spot. Was great at Super Aguri, but raised some question, notably in 2002 and 2005
Entertainment value - 10 - The most exciting driver in F1 since Katayama, and provided some of the most breathtaking maneuvers in recent F1 history. His pass on Alonso in Canada was the stuff of legends.
Personal sympathy - 10 - Everybody loves Taku!

Website · by **Wizzie** » 08 Jan 2010, 10:33

Takuma Sato:

Raw Pace: 7.5: He put that Super Aguri in places it didn't deserve to be (11th in Brazil 06 which frankly was a drive that deserved points and some of his heroics in 2007) and was pretty good in the BAR in 2004

Strategic Ability: 6: Well I don't know much about his strategic ability but if it wasn't for his team making a bad call he could have won the 2004 US GP so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt

Personal Reliability: 5.5: He did have a habit of throwing cars off into the scenery in 2002 which returned in 2005 but he improved considerably at Super Aguri

Entertainment Value: 10: Everything he did on track was exciting. His overtaking was brilliant and even his crashes were spectacular. His pass on Alonso at the 2007 Canadian GP was the stuff of legends.

Personal Sympathy: 10: How could you not love the guy?

by **Tealy** » 08 Jan 2010, 21:19

TAKUMA SATO

Raw Pace - 7.5
Fast on his day. However when it wasn't he would be pretty anonymous.

Strategic Ability - 5.5
Strategy is not Taku's friend. Bad decision making has ruined a few of his races and he's never made a strategy work well enough to redeem himself in this department for me.

Personal Reliability - 6.0
Without Super Aguri I fear this could have been a 2. Very accident prone driver who matured in his later years.

Entertainment Value - 10.0
Can we have 26 Takuma Sato's in F1 please. We have Kobayashi who might as well count as 1, 25 to go.

Personal Sympathy - 10.0
As above really. If you like your F1 to be fun and competitive then you want Taku.

by **dr-baker** » 08 Jan 2010, 21:38

Tealy wrote:
Entertainment Value - 10.0
Can we have 26 Takuma Sato's in F1 please. We have Kobayashi who might as well count as 1, 25 to go.

.

Taki Inoue was interesting for his safety car incidents. How about just a field of Japanese drivers? (How interesting is Formula Nippon? Never watched a race...)

by **Python** » 08 Jan 2010, 22:33

TAKUMA SATO

Raw Pace - 7.5

Strategic Ability - 6.0

Personal Reliability - 6.5

Entertainment Value - 10.0
I remember him passing Alonso in Canada in 07, that was awesome

Personal Sympathy - 10.0
He seems like a person that I just cannot dislike regardless of what he does.

by **SuperAguri** » 09 Jan 2010, 01:33

TAKUMA SATO

Raw Pace - 7
He can be quick at times, but othertimes he can be quite slow...

Strategic Ability - 6
Average at best, but he tries hard.

Personal Reliability - 5
Could co write a book on the world of gravel with Jos Verstappen

Entertainment Value - 10.0
Super Aguri, Sato, McLaren, Alonso, Canada, 2007

Personal Sympathy - 10.0
He is a talented Japanese driver, what is there not to like?

P.S. Can I do scores for all the other drivers I missed? (Which is er all of them). :mrgreen:

by **Enforcer** » 09 Jan 2010, 03:15

Sato

Raw Pace - 6.5 He's no slouch, and quick in bursts, but he's not top-end of the grid quick. The fact that Fisi and Button were comprehensively able to put him away for pace when he was their team-mate demonstrates this.

Strat - 6.0 Can't think of any great strategies, or greatley bathplug up strategies either.

Personal Reliability - 5.5. In his early years, he had absolutely none of this whatsoever. Spins, unforced errors, overdriving etc. But to be fair to him, by the time he turned up in a BAR he'd developed much more consistency which he then carried into Super Aguri. Giving him a mid-range score.

Entertainment - 10.0. Overtaking someone in Monaco between Casino Square and Mirabeau is still the ballsiest thing I've ever seen anyone do in a modern F1 car, I don't know how the hell he did it. Plus the fact that he crashed two laps later always added to the Sato whirlwind.

Personal Sympathy 10.0. He's not that good, he screwed up a lot, especially with Jordan in 2002. But he always gives everything he's got, and ability to race in a pack of cars is respectable.

by **Klon** » 09 Jan 2010, 08:36

Unoffical F1 Rejects Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,29688)
2.: Fernando Alonso (8,12500)
3.: David Coulthard (7,70000)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,45833)
5.: Rubens Barrichello (7,35000)
6.: Takuma Sato (7,27500)
7.: Kimi Räikkönen (7,25000)
8.: Ralf Schumacher (6,90625)
9.: Jenson Button (6,70833)
10.: Jarno Trulli (5,89286)
11.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,80357)
12.: Marc Gené (5,67500)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Emotional Driver's Ranking
1.: Fernando Alonso (7,96667)
2.: Michael Schumacher (7,93750)
3.: Takuma Sato (7,79000)
4.: Rubens Barrichello (7,67000)
5.: David Coulthard (7,56000)
6.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,33333)
7.: Kimi Räikkönen (6,58571)
8.: Ralf Schumacher (6,42500)
9.: Jenson Button (6,31667)
10.: Jarno Trulli (5,57143)
11.: Marc Gené (5,52000)
12.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,47142)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Raw Pace Ranking
1.: Kimi Räikkönen (9,64286)
2.: Michael Schumacher (9,37500)
3.: Fernando Alonso (8,83333)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (8,77778)
5.: Jarno Trulli (7,78571)
6.: Rubens Barrichello (7,60000)
7.: Takuma Sato (7,35000)
8.: David Coulthard (7,30000)
9.: Ralf Schumacher (7,12500)
10.: Jenson Button (6,83333)
11.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,71429)
12.: Marc Gené (5,60000)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Strategic Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
2.: Fernando Alonso (8,25000)
3.: Kimi Räikkönen (7,85714)
4.: David Coulthard (7,20000)
5.: Jenson Button (7,16667)
6.: Ralf Schumacher (6,75000)
7.: Rubens Barrichello (6,30000)
8.: Takuma Sato (6,15000)
9.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,77778)
10.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,64286)
11.: Marc Gené (5,40000)
12.: Jarno Trulli (4,21429)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Reliability Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (9,12500)
2.: Marc Gené (8,20000)
3.: Ralf Schumacher (7,75000)
3.: Jenson Button (7,75000)
5.: Fernando Alonso (7,58333)
6.: Rubens Barrichello (7,55000)
7.: Jarno Trulli (7,42857)
8.: David Coulthard (7,40000)
9.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,66667)
10.: Takuma Sato (5,65000)
11.: Kimi Räikkönen (5,64286)
12.: Jacques Villeneuve (4,92857)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Entertainment Ranking
1.: Takuma Sato (9,95000) ---> Ah come on, Phoenix, you have ruined the full 10 :mrgreen:

2.: Juan Pablo Montoya (9,61111)
3.: David Coulthard (8,90000)
4.: Rubens Barrichello (8,05000)
5.: Fernando Alonso (7,83333)
6.: Jacques Villeneuve (6,92857)
7.: Ralf Schumacher (6,00000)
8.: Kimi Räikkönen (5,85714)
9.: Michael Schumacher (5,81250)
10.: Jenson Button (4,91667)
11.: Jarno Trulli (4,14286)
12.: Marc Gené (3,50000)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Sympathy Ranking
1.: Takuma Sato (9,85000)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (8,85000)
3.: Fernando Alonso (7,33333)
4.: David Coulthard (7,00000)
5.: Juan Pablo Montoya (6,83333)
6.: Michael Schumacher (6,50000)
7.: Marc Gené (4,90000)
8.: Jenson Button (4,75000)
9.: Ralf Schumacher (4,50000)
10.: Jarno Trulli (4,28571)
11.: Jacques Villeneuve (4,14286)
12.: Kimi Räikkönen (3,92857)

Hmm, let's see ... I hope that the next driver can keep up with Sato, makes this thread go well ... oh ... BATHPLUG! Do we have to deal with him? Yes? Oooookay:

*** GIANCARLO FISICHELLA ***

Raw Pace - 6.5
Acceptable pace, but no qualifying god with rare exceptions. Had his overtaking manouvres, and so, but never displayed brilliance

Strategic Ability - 7.0
Again, average strategic driver, if he has the best starting position he can use his strategy. Only the perfect game he has played in Brazil 2003 is worth another point.

Personal Reliability - 7.0
He brings his car home and can work for a team, but he is no-good at leading a team, point of proof the 2007 Renault F1 campaign.

Entertainment Value - 4.0
To be honest, aside from his publicocrap-meter pushing title chance claims, he is quite bland.

Personal Sympathy - 4.5
Apathetic to him at best, but half a point minus for replacing Badoer.

by **Enforcer** » 09 Jan 2010, 21:18

Fisi

Raw Pace - 7.5 Solid, quick driver without ever really being World Champion quick.

Strategic Ability - 6.5 Good without being great.

Personal Reliability - 6.0 Always been good for bringing the car home, but whilst he transcended average machinery, whenever he's had good machinery, the weight of expectation seems to have brought his performances down, so I'm docking him for that.

Entertainment Value - 5.5 Not sure why, but I always found him to be one of the more exciting drivers to watch in his early days. Gone a bit dull lately though. So an average mark.

Personal Sympathy - 7.5 Drove for Jordan, Sauber & Force India. Long live privateers!

by **Tealy** » 12 Jan 2010, 20:27

GIANCARLO FISICHELLA

Raw Pace - 7.0
Nothing bad but nothing spectacular really. He can take a car to its limits but not beyond it.

Strategic Ability - 7.5
I don't know if Fisi makes decent strategy calls or if he gets lucky, but he usually ends up on the right strategy for a race. He also had a knack of using changeable weather conditions to his advantage when driving sub-par cars.

Personal Reliability - 7.5
He's the kind of driver a small team need. He is consistant and can be relied upon to do resonably well. Sadly when he is at a larger team he can't up his game without 1 or 2 errors ocurring.

Entertainment Value - 4.0
He's a modern day F1 driver. Plus his English isn't great which hurts him when it comes to media attention.

Personal Sympathy - 7.0
I supported his plight in his early days, wanting him to get a chance with one of the big boys. Sadly when those days came he completely failed. However I'm rating his career here and not the last 3 or 4 years so he gets a decent score from me.

by **Phoenix** » 13 Jan 2010, 01:28

GIANCARLO FISICHELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLA

Raw pace-6.5
Strategic ability-6.5
Personal reliability-8.0
Entertaining value-4.5
Personal simpathy-5.5

by **ADx_Wales** » 18 Jan 2010, 06:18

Giancarlo Fussychella

RP 6.0 Fast in a Force India, same with Renault, but then naff in a Ferrari in 2009, the years of experience would suggest that when standing in for Massa, would help but just as slow as Badoer.
SA 5.0 Dunno how the hell he managed to win at Melbourne in 2005, then again I hated the 2005 season, and as for 2nd at Spa it was the car that got him there.
PR 5.0 Bahrain 2006 on live tv "this car is sheeet", a bad driver always blames his car
EV 5.0 Italian arrogance hasn't helped, but giving Raikonnen something to worry about surely helped.
PS 3.5 Been with some of the best teams at times when they were good, has had every reason not to fail, but he has.

by **danardif1** » 18 Jan 2010, 06:40

Giancarlo Fisichella

Raw pace- 7.0 - one of the more talented drivers we've seen in the last decade or so, but more solid than anything else... faster over a race than say Trulli, and not too far off in quali...

Strategic ability- 6.0 - Never seen anything too clever from him...

Personal reliability- 8.0 - Good at bringing a car home, and in a good position... always gives his all, even his form is lacking..

Entertaining value- 5.0 - Not the most flamboyant driver, and his best entertainment has come from he has been under attack from other drivers (Kimi on him in Japan 2005)...

Personal simpathy- 8.0 - I quite like Fisi, he's not as irritating as Jarno, and he's given us some good performances over the years, just never delivering on that initial promise (remember Germany 97?)

by **Klon** » 18 Jan 2010, 09:09

Unoffical F1 Rejects Driver's Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,29688)
2.: Fernando Alonso (8,12500)
3.: David Coulthard (7,70000)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,45833)
5.: Rubens Barrichello (7,35000)
6.: Takuma Sato (7,27500)
7.: Kimi Räikkönen (7,25000)
8.: Ralf Schumacher (6,90625)
9.: Jenson Button (6,70833)
10.: Giancarlo Fisichella (6,18750)
11.: Jarno Trulli (5,89286)
12.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,80357)
13.: Marc Gené (5,67500)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Emotional Driver's Ranking
1.: Fernando Alonso (7,96667)
2.: Michael Schumacher (7,93750)
3.: Takuma Sato (7,79000)
4.: Rubens Barrichello (7,67000)
5.: David Coulthard (7,56000)
6.: Juan Pablo Montoya (7,33333)
7.: Kimi Räikkönen (6,58571)
8.: Ralf Schumacher (6,42500)
9.: Jenson Button (6,31667)
10.: Giancarlo Fisichella (6,15000)
11.: Jarno Trulli (5,57143)
12.: Marc Gené (5,52000)
13.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,47142)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Raw Pace Ranking
1.: Kimi Räikkönen (9,64286)
2.: Michael Schumacher (9,37500)
3.: Fernando Alonso (8,83333)
4.: Juan Pablo Montoya (8,77778)
5.: Jarno Trulli (7,78571)
6.: Rubens Barrichello (7,60000)
7.: Takuma Sato (7,35000)
8.: David Coulthard (7,30000)
9.: Ralf Schumacher (7,12500)
10.: Jenson Button (6,83333)
11.: Giancarlo Fisichella (6,75000)
12.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,71429)
13.: Marc Gené (5,60000)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Strategic Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (8,87500)
2.: Fernando Alonso (8,25000)
3.: Kimi Räikkönen (7,85714)
4.: David Coulthard (7,20000)
5.: Jenson Button (7,16667)
6.: Ralf Schumacher (6,75000)
7.: Giancarlo Fisichella (6,41667)
8.: Rubens Barrichello (6,30000)
9.: Takuma Sato (6,15000)
10.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,77778)
11.: Jacques Villeneuve (5,64286)
12.: Marc Gené (5,40000)
13.: Jarno Trulli (4,21429)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Reliability Ranking
1.: Michael Schumacher (9,12500)
2.: Marc Gené (8,20000)
3.: Ralf Schumacher (7,75000)
4.: Jenson Button (7,75000)
5.: Fernando Alonso (7,58333)
6.: Rubens Barrichello (7,55000)
7.: Jarno Trulli (7,42857)
8.: David Coulthard (7,40000)
9.: Giancarlo Fisichella (6,91667)
10.: Juan Pablo Montoya (5,66667)
11.: Takuma Sato (5,65000)
12.: Kimi Räikkönen (5,64286)
13.: Jacques Villeneuve (4,92857)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Entertainment Ranking
1.: Takuma Sato (9,95000)
2.: Juan Pablo Montoya (9,61111)
3.: David Coulthard (8,90000)
4.: Rubens Barrichello (8,05000)
5.: Fernando Alonso (7,83333)
6.: Jacques Villeneuve (6,92857)
7.: Ralf Schumacher (6,00000)
8.: Kimi Räikkönen (5,85714)
9.: Michael Schumacher (5,81250)
10.: Jenson Button (4,91667)
11.: Giancarlo Fisichella (4,66667)
12.: Jarno Trulli (4,14286)
13.: Marc Gené (3,50000)

Unoffical F1 Rejects Sympathy Ranking
1.: Takuma Sato (9,85000)
2.: Rubens Barrichello (8,85000)
3.: Fernando Alonso (7,33333)
4.: David Coulthard (7,00000)
5.: Juan Pablo Montoya (6,83333)
6.: Michael Schumacher (6,50000)
7.: Giancarlo Fisichella (6,00000)
8.: Marc Gené (4,90000)
9.: Jenson Button (4,75000)
10.: Ralf Schumacher (4,50000)
11.: Jarno Trulli (4,28571)
12.: Jacques Villeneuve (4,14286)
13.: Kimi Räikkönen (3,92857)

Must. Not. Make. Tasteless. Joke. But I. Cannot. Resist! - And it's time for our next hit!:

*** FELIPE MASSA ***

Raw Pace - 7.5
Good raw pace, does fight if neccessary and when his car is good enough for pole, he is in for a shot anyways.

Strategic Ability - 7.0
When he has the right position, he makes his strategies work, but he struggles a bit if not so far afront.

Personal Reliability - 5.5
While he has developed in a mature driver, his early years along with his occasional Ferrari mistake and his problems in most wet races cost him quite a bit.

Entertainment Value - 6.0
One of the more acceptable "modern race drivers", his interviews, well, are acceptable and on the track he dares to attack if he has to.

Personal Sympathy - 7.0
Gained some points for the tragedy of his loss in Brazil 2008 but aside from that and his (mostly) sportman-like accept of defeat, he is not my favourite.

by **ADx_Wales** » 18 Jan 2010, 09:46

Felipao

R.P. 8.0
This bugger is quick when he wants to be, sometimes the car will let him down

S.A. 7.5
Kept his head when everyone else was losing theirs at Istanbul 2008, brilliant when up the front, but has a tendency to fall flat on his arse when there needs to be a point to prove, again looking to the start of the 2008 season, and in the wet at silverstone, the Interlagos 2008 drive shouldnt go unnoticed despite Hamilton's last corner miracle, which most brits are grateful for.

P.R. 8.0
Apart from his first season I dont think he's been unreliable, ok so he will make mistakes, much like every other champion has. I'm pretty sure even the Podcasters of F1 Rejects will remember EL and JM suggesting his Ferrari career wouldnt be a long one, but 4 seasons including 1 title challenge with the Prancing Horse later, I'm sure Law and McGregor have long since eaten their words.

E.V 9.0
His involvement in the 2008 season, one of the most entertaining in years surely has to be included, and I hope his entertainment value wil recover aswell as his driving skill.

P.S. 9.5
the 0.5 off from being Hamilton's title contender, it would have been more if the Hungary incident did not happen, nor the inclusion of Fernando Alonso in the Ferrari lineup for 2010, and I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope that Massa will be up at the top of the table come round 18.

by **danardif1** » 18 Jan 2010, 13:18

Raw Pace - 7.5
A fast driver, if not lightning quick... but certainly in the upper echelons of driving talent

Strategic Ability - 7.5
Again, solid, and works well with Rob Smedley, usually being able to do whatever Rob wants him to do... but has also been part of some of Ferrari's worse decisions..

Personal Reliability - 5.0
Britain 2008 is the prime example... if you want a cool head, you stay away from Felipe, far too prone to slight errors and BIG off-days for me...

Entertainment Value - 8.0
His latin temperament, flairy driving style and lack of consistency make him quite exciting to watch..

Personal Sympathy - 8.0
I've got a lot of respect for him, especially for his Brazil performance, where he in one moment when he stepped onto the podium, fighting back the tears but remaining stoic, stopped me dancing round the room and made me realise there was another man, who had it all and then lost it in 10-15 seconds, and to keep as calm as he did was admirable...

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