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by **Libertango** » 07 May 2009, 04:05

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/ma ... r-son-dead

The eldest son of formula one boss Max Mosley has been found dead in his west London home.
Alexander Mosley, a 39-year-old economist, is reported to have died after a suspected drugs overdose. His death is not being treated as suspicious.

by **rffp** » 07 May 2009, 04:06

A regrettable incident.

by **tristan1117** » 07 May 2009, 05:41

I don't like Max that much but really, you gotta feel bad for him. He's been through a lot throughout the last few years and this is just pouring salt into the wounds. RIP Alex Mosley.

by **Barbazza** » 07 May 2009, 06:31

I hope the newspapers are happy now, particularly the one who reported the orgy story first (from the stable that brought you the 'facts' that all the Liverpool fans at Hillsborough were hooligans) as to me this sad death must have some connection to those events.
This country really needs to get its act together. I'm ashamed to be British these days.

by **CarlosFerreira** » 07 May 2009, 06:55

Barbazza wrote:I hope the newspapers are happy now, particularly the one who reported the orgy story first (from the stable that brought you the 'facts' that all the Liverpool fans at Hillsborough were hooligans) as to me this sad death must have some connection to those events.
This country really needs to get its act together. I'm ashamed to be British these days.

Jesus, talk about throwing guilt around! Consumers vote with their wallets - those newspapers exist because they provide income for parent companies, so someone must buy them.

by **LukeB** » 07 May 2009, 07:01

I don't see why it "must" have anything to do with the exposure of Maxs private life at all. While I'm more then willing to give News of the World and it's crass ignorant hypocritical ilk a well deserved kicking when they deserve it (i.e all the goddamn time) there's no reason as of yet to assume any connection and I'd be surprised if they have anything to do with eachother.
Ironically is those papers infuriating habit of jumping to (the most sensationalist possible) conclusions that makes them so deplorable.

A damn shame. I have no love for the man but it's time like this you remember he's not a cardboard caraciature we can jeer, laugh, at and accuse of destroying F1 every other day but an actual y'know, person with a life and family.

by **Kuwashima** » 07 May 2009, 09:55

Tragic day for Max and his family.

While I'm not sure a direct line can be drawn at this point between the scandal and his son's death, maybe further details will emerge doing so. If they do, it may be appropriate to quietly retire our Max t-shirt.

How unimportant F1 seems in the face of such events.

by **Faustus** » 07 May 2009, 15:22

Libertango wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/06/max-mosley-alexander-son-dead

The eldest son of formula one boss Max Mosley has been found dead in his west London home.
Alexander Mosley, a 39-year-old economist, is reported to have died after a suspected drugs overdose. His death is not being treated as suspicious.

Tragic, yes, but if he did die of an overdose, I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever.

by **Bort** » 07 May 2009, 15:34

Faustus wrote:Tragic, yes, but if he did die of an overdose, I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever.

It may have been an accidental overdose, and it may have been on completely legal drugs.

by **thehemogoblin** » 07 May 2009, 16:49

Or it could have been suicide, and you never truly know what brings that on...

However, if the guy did drop dead overdosing on heroin, he deserved it.

by **Faustus** » 07 May 2009, 17:04

thehemogoblin wrote:Or it could have been suicide, and you never truly know what brings that on...

However, if the guy did drop dead overdosing on heroin, he deserved it.

Exactly my point.

by **noisebox** » 07 May 2009, 18:23

thehemogoblin wrote:However, if the guy did drop dead overdosing on heroin, he deserved it.

No one deserves it. You should withdraw that comment. Anyone who's ever been close to anyone with drug problems (or had problems themselves) would be very offended by that comment.

by **CarlosFerreira** » 07 May 2009, 18:24

noisebox wrote:
thehemogoblin wrote:However, if the guy did drop dead overdosing on heroin, he deserved it.

No one deserves it. You should withdraw that comment. Anyone who's ever been close to anyone with drug problems (or had problems themselves) would be very offended by that comment.

+1

by **Faustus** » 07 May 2009, 18:41

noisebox wrote:
thehemogoblin wrote:However, if the guy did drop dead overdosing on heroin, he deserved it.

No one deserves it. You should withdraw that comment. Anyone who's ever been close to anyone with drug problems (or had problems themselves) would be very offended by that comment.

I've had a first cousin die of a heroin overdose, someone who I grew up with and who I was very close to, and I'm not offended in the least. It was his choice to be an addict and he paid the price for it (my cousin, not Mosley). He caused enough suffering and aggravation to my family.
Heroin addiction is not a disease, it's something you inflict on yourself. Addicts are beneath contempt.

Edit - Let's not allow this thread to degenerate into a flame war. As far I'm concerned, I have nothing else to say on the matter.

by **Kuwashima** » 07 May 2009, 22:03

Let's not allow this thread to degenerate into a flame war.

Indeed.

Suffice to say, not knowing the details means we can't make these kind of statements. Let's be as respectful as possible please.

by **noshpit** » 07 May 2009, 23:53

just lock the forum until new details come to hand. this will stop this forum turning into a massive guessing game

by **Stormwind** » 08 May 2009, 00:08

Max's tenure as president of the FIA has turned him into a pariah (understandibly so) I don't like him at all. But still the loss of a son is indeed painful, I for one offer my condolences to the Mosley family (Including Max).

by **Nin13** » 08 May 2009, 02:20

That's so bad......... :shock:

by **thehemogoblin** » 08 May 2009, 02:37

My bad.

Didn't mean for it to come out like that.

Though I can say it came from experience (in a sense), because my father was a heroin addict... and he's a royal douchebag (for reasons that are too lengthy to type).

by **CarlosFerreira** » 08 May 2009, 02:51

thehemogoblin wrote:My bad.

Didn't mean for it to come out like that.

Though I can say it came from experience (in a sense), because my father was a heroin addict... and he's a royal douchebag (for reasons that are too lengthy to type).

Sorry to hear that, I shouldn't have picked on you. In my family, it's my godfather. I guess everyone has a sorry story to tell.

Cheers, mate!

by **LionZoo** » 08 May 2009, 04:07

Indeed, we should remember that the characters we all love, hate, despise, etc. in F1 all have families in real life that they care about. Even Flav. This situation must be devastating for Max; he's a tough character, but he's certainly been through a lot recently.

by **Barbazza** » 08 May 2009, 06:42

I've calmed down a bit now and apologies for jumping to conclusions, but my opinion on my country of origin and its newspapers stand and a particularly unsportsmanlike football team containing lots of players with attitude problems added to that just hours after I posted sadly...

by **Jack O Malley** » 08 May 2009, 09:16

Very bad news. My deepest condolences to Max Mosley and his family.

by **Alianora La Canta** » 08 May 2009, 09:18

I'm sorry to hear about the death of Alexander Mosley. Condolences to his family and friends.

by **Captain Hammer** » 08 May 2009, 09:36

Wow. I'm shocked. Not at the death of his son - for that, I do offer my condolences, even thouh Senor Mosely is unlikely to read this - but at the some the reactions from people. Not only could some of you not care less about it, there's more than one spiteful comment thrown in, which I believe is because it was Moseley's son who passed away. I'm willing to bet that if it were someone else's - Ron Dennis, Michael Schumacher, Ross Brawn, etc. - who had to endure this, you'd be much more sympathetic towards it. Max Moseley may not be right for the sport, but that is not a licence for you to post comments suggesting you welcome the death of his son because he somehow deserves it. For that, you all deserve Reject of the Year status.

You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. I know I'm ashamed to be a part of a forum that does this.

by **Bort** » 08 May 2009, 10:54

Captain Hammer wrote:You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. I know I'm ashamed to be a part of a forum that does this.

I don't think the negative comments were made because his father was Max.

I think (although I could be wrong) that the negative comments were made as reactions to someone fatally overdosing on drugs. It is always a disappointing waste of life when it happens, and sometimes people react with anger.

by **thehemogoblin** » 08 May 2009, 11:53

Probably should have said "It sucks when anyone dies and I'm sorry for the family's loss".

It was implied.

As for the spiteful comments, mine was in response to others. I definitely know what they're going through regardless... my uncle killed himself, my sister and mother have both tried, and my father's a raging drug addict.

by **eytl** » 08 May 2009, 14:07

I have no experience of death of close relatives or friends, nor of people I'm close to having drug addiction issues. But I guess I can appreciate how grief, sadness and anger can be intertwined within our emotional responses to such events.

There has been no further news since (nor does there need to be, frankly), so let's not get into speculation as to causes. I don't intend to lock this thread, but let's also not get into condemnation - of what has happened or of each other for our responses.

Max, like any public figure (especially in motor racing circles), by dint of the fact that their actions and statements are often public (or publicised), may become the subject of our satire and amateurish attempts at humour from time to time. But as others have pointed out already, this tragedy puts things into perspective.

I have a ten-month old daughter, and I'm sure others here are parents too. When I look at my baby I cannot bear to imagine out-living her. My heart goes out to Max and to his family, and my sincerest condolences to them.

by **dr-baker** » 10 Jun 2009, 21:52

Coroner's report :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8092976.stm

by **jackanderton** » 11 Jun 2009, 00:54

Shocking news. I'd like to ally myself with the comments so far that have been along the lines of treating this as a tragic and unfortunate event. This isn't a time for speculation or unwarranted mud-slinging. I'm sure anything that will incite that kind of thing will be exposed soon enough, if it exists to begin with. RIP.

by **Gumby** » 12 Jun 2009, 12:53

I really wonder about Max's family situation... His private life doesn't seem to have the same dedication and organisation as his public life does. Something seriously lacking in the Mosely family values i think. Still - Shame that his son has died in such tragic circumstances.

by **Bort** » 12 Jun 2009, 13:35

Gumby wrote:I really wonder about Max's family situation... His private life doesn't seem to have the same dedication and organisation as his public life does. Something seriously lacking in the Mosely family values i think. Still - Shame that his son has died in such tragic circumstances.

Knowing who Max's father was, I don't think many of us could even begin to imagine what his private life has EVER been like.

by **BB01** » 12 Jun 2009, 14:30

Making judgements about Max's family life seem pretty ridiculous when you consider that his son was 39 and seemingly taking drugs to counter depression. Do you blame the parents of every fully-grown adult who gets into trouble?

by **Fitch** » 12 Jun 2009, 14:39

Do you blame the parents of every fully-grown adult who gets into trouble?

Not every...but I've seen some people who should be......

by **Faustus** » 12 Jun 2009, 22:01

BB01 wrote:Making judgements about Max's family life seem pretty ridiculous when you consider that his son was 39 and seemingly taking drugs to counter depression. Do you blame the parents of every fully-grown adult who gets into trouble?

I agree completely. It's not Max's fault that his son chose take cocaine, ketamine, MDMA and heroin or morphine (this quoted from the coroner's report) and took so much of it that he died. He was an adult and he knew what he was doing.

by **Ross Prawn** » 13 Jun 2009, 17:56

Frankly, I'm not comfortable with this thread.

Its very unfortunate, and we don't know all the circumstances, and it seems an odd subject to speculate about.

by **dr-baker** » 14 Jun 2009, 03:44

Ross Prawn wrote:Frankly, I'm not comfortable with this thread.

Its very unfortunate, and we don't know all the circumstances, and it seems an odd subject to speculate about.

That's why I kept my post pure and simple and merely pointed to what the coroner said. We don't know much of what happened and any problems we have with the Mosely family are nothing to do with Alex Mosely. Let it be, I reckon.

by **fjackdaw** » 14 Jun 2009, 20:26

Gumby wrote:I really wonder about Max's family situation... His private life doesn't seem to have the same dedication and organisation as his public life does. Something seriously lacking in the Mosely family values i think. Still - Shame that his son has died in such tragic circumstances.

My best friend at school couldn't have wished for more loving and supportive parents. He still managed to kill himself at 33 due to a heroin overdose. Sometimes you just can't help people.

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